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Islam and Christianity - Ahmed Deedat & Gary Miller
- many of d bishops of d church of england've said tht, "jesus isn't divine" - 48:30
- i too'll say sumthngs tht'll annoy, sumthngs tht maybe muslims don't wanna hear, sumthngs tht maybe christians don't wanna hear - 48:45
- but ask urself, is it bcz "WASN'T TRUE?" or, "WHY DOES IT BOTHER ME?" if u don't lyk2 hear wht i said - 48:55
- mr. deedat didn't pay me2 cum here. i asked'em, "who's paying4 ths trip?". he said, "we can't afford it". alri8. tht's d end of tht. SO NOBODY PAID ME2 CUM HERE - 49:40
- U CAN'T EVER PAINT ALL CHRISTIANS WID 1BRUSH. WHN IT C'M FRM EXTREME 2D OTHER. NY 2DIFFERENCES U CAN THINK OF, THR'LL B PPL'N BETWEEN THS 2EXTREMES - 50:35
....... evangelist .......
- term: EVANGELIST - 51:05
- i prefer tht u don't use tht word. bcz as carefully as ever i looked 2d bible i never found d word evangelist'n d lips of jesus - 51:25
- if u wanna call urself an evangelist, b my guest! me? i prefer not2 - 51:35
- my credentials, by wht authority & power did i speak abt islam & christianity - 51:55
- it's a very unchristian thn 2do - 52:10
- tht's wht d jews & romans & so on used 2ask abt d disciples of jesus (Matthew 21:23) - 52:15
- whn d disciples tried2 preach, d romans or d jews'ld say, "by wht authority do u preach? wht school did u go2? u'r just a fisherman how do u dare2 speak?" - 52:25
### u wanna convert d muslims to christianity? but luk wht ur doing instead - 54:10
- D MISSIONARY WANTS D MUSLIMS 2START THINKING. SO HE ASKS SUM QUESTIONS. HE HAS DISCUSSIONS & SO'N. HE PLANTS LITTLE SEEDS. BUT D MISSIONARY DOESN'T TELL D MUSLIMS WHT2 THINK. HE JUST WANTS D MUSLIMS 2START THINKING - 54:30
- HE DOESN'T TELL'EM WHT2 THINKG BCZ USUALLY HASN'T THOUGHT ABT IT HIMSELF - 54:50
- examples - 55:00
1. missionary, "does d qur'an says tht jesus a.w.s. was sinless?". d muslim, "yes. perfect man. never sinned". missionary, "does d qur'an told muhammad s.a.w. 2repent?". muslim, "yes". tht's all. missionary doesn't say nythn else. he hopes now d muslim's gonna start thinking, "well, wait a min, jesus never sinned but muhammad upposed2 repent. maybe jesus was better". he's hoping. but he doesn't dare say tht. bcz if he says, "A SINLESS MAN'S BETTER THN A REPENTED SINNER". if he dares2 say tht, he goes exactly against d teachings of jesus. if he's foolish enough2 say tht, he goes exactly against d teachings of jesus.
- my advice2 muslims, if sumbody asks u those questions, u ask'em 2tell u "d story of story of prodigal sons" (luke 15:24): THE PERFECT MAN DOESN'T HAVE ANY PREFERENCE OVER THE SINLESS MAN OR THE REPENTED SINNER. ask'em 2tell u tht story & ask'em wht's d lesson of tht story - 55:55
### in fact ths whole argument wouldn't exist if both muslims & christians'r better aware of d meaning of d word SIN - 57:45
2. d missionary, "was jesus d messiah?". muslim, "yes". missionary, "was muhammad d messiah?". muslim, "no". thr he stops again. hoping d muslim'll go away & think, "now, wait a min, jesus's messiah but muhammad isn't. maybe jesus's better" - 58:00
- ask'em, "jesus was messsiah but'r thr ny other messaih besides jesus?" - 58:25
- david, solomon even cyrus d persia (isaiah 45:1) - 58:35
- it's hard 2find'n d bible bcz d translators covered it over. they translated d word - 58:40
- messiah = anointed. sumbody picked picked 2do a job - 58:40
- every king of ancient israel's called messiah - 58:45
- i'm trying2 show u tht d arguments rn't good enough tht'r being used & i see'em print all d tym - 59:00
3. d missionary asks d muslim, "whr's d body of jesus?". muslim says, "god took it". missionary, "whr's d body of muhammad?". muslim, "it's'n madina'n d ground". missionary stops hoping d muslim'll go away & think, "now tht's interesting d body of jesus's gone muhammad's'n d grave. maybe jesus's d true msngr, muhammad's false". he's hoping tht u'll think tht but he dare not say it - 59:10
- ask d missionary, "is tht wht u mean2 say? do u mean tht a dead & a buried prophet's a false prophet? is tht wht u mean?" - 59:40
- bcz if tht's wht he means, wht does he say abt ibrahim (abraham) a.w.s. for example? - 59:50
- jews & muslim still now still go2 d place whr he's buried. dey visit thr grave. IS HE A FALSE PROPHET BCZ HE'S BURIED'N D GROUND? 4tht matter whr's d body of moses a.w.s.? d bible says god took it. he send an angel2 take d body away. WHT DOES IS PROVE? - 01:00:00
....... u'r saved not by work but by faith .......
- missionary has always accused d muslima, dey used2 say, "u ppl believed ur saved by works alone" & dey quote d quran - 01:00:45
# as-sajdah,19 (& 4ths who believe & do good works, 4'em gardens'r refuge & entertainment 4wht dey used2 do) - 01:01:00
- dey quote ths verse saying, "u c muslims dey'r saved by works alone" - 01:01:20
- DEY BELIVE & DEY GOOD WORKS. d two'r together - 01:01:30
- u c'n arab language d only has 2change a little bit & it bcms a different part of speech - 01:01:35
- amanu = dey believe, eman (made frm d same letters) = wht u believe, ur belief, ur faith - 01:01:45
- wht ths verse's saying's, "U'VE GOTTA'VE FAITH & WORKS". side by side. not1 not d other, but both. which's exactly wht found'n d bible (james 2:26) - 01:01:55
# james 2:26 (4as d body apart frm d spirit's dead so faith apart frm works's dead) - 01:02:30
- DON'T TELL D MUSLIM, "HE BELIEVE HE'S SAVED BY D WORKS ALONE". he doesn't believe it. & he only thinks ur foolish bcz u think tht tht's wht it says'n d quran whn u quote it 2'em - 01:02:40
- so far my points'r simply ths tht discussions
1. d sinless jesus or,
2. jesus d messiah or,
3. jesus taken'n2 heaven or,
4. faith & works
don't prove nythn. dey rn't arguments tht dey rn't gonna lead sumwhr - 01:02:55
- THINK!!! - 01:03:10
- NOT JUST SAY THT D MAN'S EXPERT I DON'T KNW - 01:03:15
- THINK!!! - 01:03:15
- IT ISN'T HOW MUCH U KNW IT'S WHT U DO WID WHT U KNW. HOW MUCH U USE UR HEAD - 01:03:20
# isaiah 1:18 (c'm let's reason 2gthr) - 01:03:25
....... qur'an's very critical of sum jews & christians .......
- not all. sum jews & christians, d qur'an's critical of'em - 01:03:40
- d muslim has every reason2 believe tht ths's true whn he just looks wht's offered'n literature whn he goes'n2 a book store tht sells bibles & he finds out so many different versions & if he looks carefully, he sees tht D NEWER BIBLES LEAVE OUT SUM OF WORDS THT'R'N D OLDER BIBLES & D NEWER BIBLES'VE SUM WORDS THT RN'T'N D OLDER BIBLES. sumthn's going on & it looks funny 2'em & he thinks of ths verse frm qur'an - 01:04:20
- many'll go away & will say, "i stood here & i insult bible translators". bcz it's d translators of d bible tht do tht - 01:04:50
- I'M NOT. I'D B HAPPY 2INSULT A FEW! BCZ DEY DO THS KINDS OF THINGS. DEY'R GUILTY OF MANIPULATION - 01:05:00
- jesus used 2talk 2a crowed of ppl, he told'em wht he wanted 2tell'em & often he used2, if he saw sum1'n d audience tht's misleading ppl, he pointed'em out saying, "tht1's a liar" - 01:05:10
- he wasn't diplomatic. tht's y he got'n2 so much trouble frm place2 place - 01:05:25
- bcz whn he saw a liar, he point'em out as such. I'M NOT GONNA DO THT BUT I'M JUST SHOWING U - 01:05:30
- IF U SPEAK HARSHLY OF SUM1, UR ONLY FOLLOWING D EXAMPLE OF CHRIST. he found tht thr's a tym & place2 single out d ppl who lead others'n2 unbelief - 01:05:35
- sum translators of d bible'r honest & dey fi8 wid thr contemporaries over d proper translations 2say, "changed tht, it should b ths". dey find abt it - 01:05:45
- 2 of'em r example'r EDGAR J. GOODSPEED & JAMES MOFFATT. who's bibles'r printed'n thr own names bcz no church'ld back'em up. dey'r too honest - 01:06:55
# ali-imran,4 (criterion) - 01:06:15
- it explains d 3rd verse tht D QUR'AN'S SUPPOSED 2B USED AS D BASIS OF JUDGING WHICH'S TRUE & WHICH'S FALSE'N THR SCRIPTURES - 01:06:25
# al-maidah,15 (revealed wht dey used2 hide) - 01:06:30
- but dey do quote sum of d qur'an back 2d muslims but dey do it badly - 01:06:45
- DEY QUOTE D QUR'AN BADLY TO SERVE THR PURPOSE - 01:06:50
- THR'S NO ESCAPING. D QUR'AN SYS D JEWS & D CHRISTIANS HIDE THINGS, DEY CHANGE THINGS & SO ON. SO THR'S NO SENSE'N TRYING 2FIND A VERSE SUMWHR 2PROVE THT, "NO! NO! D QUR'AN SAYS THT EVERYTHN'N D BIBLE'S TRUE". THT'S WHT PPL DO - 01:06:55
- means: & we sent down 2u d book'n truth, confirming tht which tht dey possessed of d book b4... - 01:07:30
- d christians say, "u c thr d qur'an says tht b bible's true". dey say, "d qur'an was sent down 2confirm 2say it's truthful wht dey've'n thr book". tht's wht tht sentence says if u stop thr - 01:07:40
- BUT THT'S D MIDDLE OF D SENTENCE! THR'S 2 MORE WORDS'N D SENTENCE! - 01:07:55
- A WATCHER OVER IT - 01:08:15
- MUHAIMINAN's an interesting word. it means QUALITY CONTROL - 01:08:20
- u use a form of tht word2 designate a man'n a factory who stand@d end of d assembly line & finds d rejects & throws'em out - 01:08:05
- whole text - d qur'an confirms tht which's truthful'n thr book & it's d QUALITY CONTROL AGENT - 01:08:35
- IT'S D PART THT CHOOSE U WHICH PARTS RN'T TRUE - 01:08:45
- u don't fool a muslim by quoting tht. it's a dishonest quote - 01:08:50
- muslims 2d missionary, "u've changed d scriptures" - 01:09:05
- missionary says, "o how can u say tht? how could u as a muslim change d qur'an? u couldn't do tht. how could i change d bible?" - 01:09:10
- d answer's very easy. bible isn't d same thing as qur'an for 3 different reasons - 01:09:20
1. d qur'an has always been'n d hands of d ppl. always. frm d tym of d prophet, ppl wrote it down if he could write & memorized & so on. always'n d hands of d ppl. nobody eva disagreed'n wht'r d contents. d prophet died, his friends meet & dey agreed by gathering'n d writings dey had. day said, "ths's d qur'an" & nobody disputed. nobody said, "u left sumthn out" or "no ths doesn't belong". nobody argued. frm d beginning - 01:09:30
- d bible doesn't hv tht history. d bible has been d property of d church, not d ppl. d 1st table of contents 2d bible tht reads d same as d contents of d bible now, dates frm d yr 3607. more thn 300 yrs after jesus. finally dey decided which books belonged'n d bible - 01:09:55
2. d bible's'n dead languages. d qur'an's'n d living language. 120 million ppl speak arabic. d language of d qur'an. d bible's written'n ancient hebrew, ancient aramaic & ancient greek. which nobody speaks. a handful of scholars knw it. so as2 change it, is an easy thing. if u'r a translator, 2read 1thn & tell sumbody sumthn else. tht's easy - 01:10:15
3. thr has neva been so much as a letter'n dispute abt d qur'an. no1 has even so much has said, ths letter's wrong'n ur copy of d qur'an. unless it's a misprint. but nobody eva disputes, "it'ld b ths, it'ld b tht" & dey've a battle ova it - 01:10:40
- whereas d bible has c'm down frm many many manuscripts. ny bible tht's worth buying's filled wid footnotes. almost every pages thr's footnotes. so u read d verse, footnote. read down here says, "or ths verse mi8 b" & it gives u an alternate translation of wht other manuscripts says - 01:11:00
footnotes
....... concept of doubting d authenticity of d bible .......
- 2 doubt d authenticity of d bible isn't a muslim idea - 01:11:30
- it isn't muslims who bc'm d enemies of d bible sumhow - 01:11:30
- DEY RN'T ENEMIES OF D BIBLE - 01:11:35
- d doubtful authenticity of d bible'n an old idea found within d bible. IT'S A BIBLICAL IDEA - 01:11:40
- if u ask d question... "who wrote d bible? who took d ink & d pen & put d words'n d page? who did tht?" - 01:11:50
- d answer's, "scribes". tht was thr job'n ancient tyms. dey wrote d scriptures - 01:12:00
- jeremiah 8:8 talks abt d scribes - 01:12:05
- sum jews'll tell u tht jeremiah's d only authentic book left'n d whole bible - 01:12:10
- i don't believe tht myself - 01:12:15
- but tht's how sure dey'r abt jeremiah. D MOST AUTHENTIC BOOK'N D BIBLE - 01:12:20
- jeremiah 8:8 (false pen of d scribes, lie) - 01:12:25
- whr r ths lies if everythn'n d bible's legitimate? - 01:12:50
- d muslim agrees wid most churches - 01:13:55
- most churches say, "yes d bible contains d words of god & sum othr words beside beside tht" - 01:13:00
- thr's many ways of establishing tht fact but basic point's made'n isaiah, 40:8 - 01:13:30
- ths's a verse tht sum ppl lyk so much, d bible i've thr's d new american standard, dey put it'n d inside front cover - 01:13:35
- isaiah, 40:8 (stands 4eva) - 01:13:45
- it's saying tht IF it's d WORD of GOD, it DOESN'T get LOTS. it STANDS 4EVA - 01:13:55
- god says it, it'll always b thr. according2 ths verse - 01:14:00
- but d churches'ld say tht d bible's totally widout error, will always modify tht by saying tht dey bible2 b INERRANT, tht's WIDOUT ERROR, INERRANT'n d ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPT. not d manuscripts tht we'VE 2DAY. in d ORIGINAL - 01:14:05
- so, if u show sum1, "look, ths DISAGREES wid tht, ths's INCORRECT & so'n". he can tell u, "tht's TURE. tht's a MISTAKE. but tht MISTAKE wasn't'n d ORIGINAL" - 01:14:25
- ask'em, "how did d MISTAKES get here?" - 01:14:35
- he'll tell u, "d ORIGINAL got LOST" - 01:14:35
- well thn d ORIGINAL was NOT d word of God if it got LOST. was it??? - 01:14:40
# isaiah 40:8 says, "if god SAYS it DOESN'T get LOST" - 01:14:45
- d verse doesn't say, "d grass withers & d flower fades but d word of our god stands 4eva EXCEPT 4FEW LITTLE DETAILS" - 01:14:50
- thr's no qualification - 01:14:55
- books've been written documenting d errors & yet ths excuse still offered - 01:15:00
- u c missionary'ld only make ths concession if he'ld only say, "alri8 not all of d bible came frm god". HE'LL B MORE BELIEVABLE - 01:15:05
- MIRACLE OF THS BOOK ISN'T D BIBLE, D PPL BELIEVE IT CAME FRM GOD, THT'S D MIRACLE - 01:15:30
- bcz'n ONE HAND ppl r trying to tell, "IT'S PERFECT". in d OTHER HAND dey'll tell u, "NOT ACCEPT HERE IT ISN'T PERFECT & SO'N BUT THT'S BCZ IT GOT LOST & SO'N" - 01:15:40
- IT'S AN EXCUSE THT'S INCONSISTENT WID D CLAIM - 01:15:45
- if a missionary'ld say, "not everythin tht we call d scripture, should b called scripture". if he'ld only says tht, it'll b more believable - 01:15:50
- if it's upsetting, ask urself, "why? did i make a mistake? tht said s'mthn tht isn't ture. if so, wht's it???" - 01:16:05
- we've to always decide whn s'mbody's having a conversation wid us, R DAY EXPLAINING IT OR R DAY PROVING IT? - 01:17:15
- pp usually fool themselves, dey explaining it but dey think tht dey'r proving it - 01:17:25
- u ask s'mbody, "how do u knw jesus died 4ur sins, wht's d prove?" - 01:17:30
- he starts 2tell u abt, "u c, god's holy. man's a sinner. jesus has2 die & so'n". THT'S NOT THE PROVE. THT'S EXPLANATION. THT'S HOW IT SUPPOSED2 WORK. HOW DO U KNW IT HAPPENED? - 01:17:35
- d catolic church tend2 look2 d authorities other thn d scripture. d bible - 01:17:45
- don't b confused - 01:17:55
- thr's 1thng i wish i could hammer'n everybody's head is ths idea... - 01:18:55
- EXPLANATION ISN'T D SAME AS PROVE - 01:18:00
....... man has 2've his sins redeemed .......- "god's 100% holy. 100% HOLY. u'r SINNER. god CAN'T DEAL wid u DIRECTLY bcz, he's 100% HOLY & u'r CERTAIN % SINNER". it's an explanation. IT'S AN EXPLANATION. but IS it TRUE? - 01:18:15
- think abt it. if i told u, "in NY city's d holiest man tht eva lived. i'ld talk abt it 4an hour maybe & i'ld build up a reputation & say, HE'S D HOLIEST HUMAN BEING THT EVA LIVED". finally u'ld say, "well i'm gonna save my money. i'm gonna go2 NY city & meet'em. i wanna shake his hand". i'ld tell u, "no! not! no! he won't even let u c'm'n a same room wid'em. he's too holy. he can talk2 his secretary. but he couldn't stand look@u. he's too holy!". now wht'ld u think of ths man? IS HE HOLY? OR, IS HE CRAZY? - 01:18:35
- EXPLANATION'S AN EXPLANATION. IT MAY OR MAY NOT B TRUE BUT PROVE IS S'MTHN ELSE - 01:19:10
....... DID JESUS SAY SO? .......
- i get'n2 a discussion wid a man who used2've a radio program'n d bible. so i asked'em if 'ld prove2 me s'm of d things he believed. he said, "i don't hve a bible". i said, "i've1 here". i put d bible which's called d RED LETTER EDITION. dey put all d words of jesus'n RED INK. & i asked'em, "do u believe such & such?". & said, "certainly & here's d prove". & he opened up d bible & he read me s'mthn. frm d BLACK INK. & i kept saying, "show me'n d RED INK. DID JESUS SAY THT THN? I KNW PAUL SAID IT & i knw ths & tht & d other thing. DID JESUS SAY THT THING U TOLD ME U BELIEVE?". & he kept stroking my bible lyk a pet cat. he was very fond of it. but i kept pushing tht way. i kept saying, "DID JESUS SAY IT?". certainly he didn't lyk d bible nymore & he threw it back'n my face. he said, "U KNW WHT UR PROBLEM'S? U WON'T BELIEVE IT UNLESS JESUS SAID IT" - 01:19:25
- YES THT'S MY PROBLEM. IT'LD B HIS PROBLEM - 01:20:20
- HOW DOES HE DARE2 TEACH S'MTHN & CALL HIMSELF A CHRISTIAN IF HE CAN'T SHOW THT JESUS SAID THS THING THT HE'S TALKING ABT - 01:20:25
- it'ld b easy2 find if jesus s'm of d things ppl say, "he said". should b easy2 find" - 01:20:35
- do u knw if u took all d words of jesus reportedd'n d bible & eliminate d duplications, bcz uv'e D SAME STORY BASICALLY TOLD 4 TYMS, u eliminate d duplications, D TOTAL OF ALL D WORDS OF JESUS DON'T EVEN FILL 2 COLUMNS OF D NEWS PAPER. it isn't very many words. so if he said ths different things, u don't really've a lot of work2 look down & find'em - 01:20:40
- dey bring out a hand full of thr favorite verses - 01:21:25
contradictions
1. john 3:16 (jesus, only begotten son) ... vs ... hebrew 11:17 (isaac, only begotten son)
2. john 8:58 (before abraham was, i am) ... vs ... exodus 3:4 (moses said, "here i'm")
3. john 10:30 (i & d father'r 1) ... vs ... john 17:21 (all of 'em mayb 1)
5. john 20:28 (thomas, my lord & my lord) ... vs ... exodus 7:1 (u lyk god2 pharaoh)
- for every1 of ths verses, thr's another verse which if u put it ri8 beside tht verse, u'll find out wht thr trying2 say, WON'T WORK - 01:21:35
- u put ths beside ths verses & argument dissolves among others - 01:22:55
- IT DOESN'T PROVE D DIVINITY OF JESUS. doesn't mean he isn't divine. ths things don't do d job. tht's d problem. i'm not saying tht he isn't divine, i'm saying, "i still wanna c d prove" - 01:22:05
- d real test of sincerity was wht disappointed me - 01:22:20
- s'mdbody'll shows u, john 14:9 fr example, jesus said, "philip, if u seen me, u've seen d father". so i asked'em, "how's he said'n d other place2 a grp of ppl, u ppl've never seen d father? don't tell me'n ths place me means he's god whn'n ths place he told d ppl who'r looking@it, u've never seen god? he must've meant s'mthn else" - 01:22:25
- u tell s'mbody tht & he'll say, "ok u've a point. wht abt ths verse?". & dey go2 another verse. it's fine - 01:22:50
- but next week s'mbody'll c'm2 tht same man & 'ld say, "whr's d prove tht jesus said tht he was god?". he'll read john 14:9. ri8 BACK whr he STARTED frm. a verse which a week ago he told me WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH. it'll b GOOD ENOUGH fr s'mbody else bcz he HOPES he DOESN'T KNW d RESPONSE I'D - 01:22:55
- u knw, IF U TOOK ALL D WORDS OF JESUS & U CUT'EM OUTTA BIBLE WID SCISSORS & THN I GIVE U S'M PASTE & TELL U PUT'EM BACK 2GETHR NYWY U LYK. U STILL CAN'T MAKE'EM SPELL OUT D TRINITY. IT STILL DOESN'T SAY NYTHN ABT IT. NO MATTER HOW U CHANGE THS WORDS - 01:23:20
....... evolution of trinity .......
- d trinity's an evolved understanding. d church didn't understand ths deep thought @1st. d understanding evolved over d centuries. it was discussed. ppl came2 understand it & believe it - 01:23:40
- but if tht's wht u say, u shouldn't say'n d other hand, "jesus used2 preach it" - 01:23:55
- if u tell me, "ppl didn't figure it out fr 200 yrs". don't tell me, "jesus preached it" - 01:24:00
- so dey'ld say, "no! no! he preached it. but, it isn't'n d bible. he used2 preach it2 his disciples". u told'em abt it - 01:24:05
# john 18:20 (i said nothing'n secret) - 01:24:20
- he didn't tell his disciples ny secrets - 01:24:25
- ppl told me, "ur problem's u rn't spiritual enough. believe! thn it's seays! believe!" - 01:24:35
- A PERSON CAN'T MAKE THEMSELVES BELIEVE IF DEY KNW BETTER - 01:24:40
- wht s'mtyms happen2 human beings dey get pains. thr head's hurting. dey go2 a doctor. dey say, "i got ths pain. it won't go away". d doctor makes s'm tests. a full examination. maybe s'm x-rays & he finds nothing wrong. so he realizes, d man's problem's mental. it's imaginary pain. he doesn't tell d man tht. he gives'em a placebo. dey'r things tht look lyk pills but dey'r only milk-sugar. just sugar. he goes2 his patient thn he says, "we made s'm tests, ths's d medicine u need. take ths pills & in 1day ur pain'ld stop. it almost always does". bcz d man thinks he's getting s'm medicines & so his mental abilities get rid of d pain. tht's a placebo. it works tht's way - 01:24:45
- I CAN'T DO D SAME THING WID BELIEVE THOUGH. I CAN'T MANUFACTURE IT - 01:24:35
- u c, if d doctor came2 me & said, u c ur problem's mental. i've s'm sugar pills here. BELIEVE THT THS R MEDICINE WID ALL UR HEART. BELIEVE THT DEY'R MEDICINE. TRY VERY HARD & WHN U BELIEVE THT DEY'R MEDICINE, D PAIN'LL GO AWAY. I CAN'T DO IT. he told me it's sugar. I KNW BETTER - 01:25:40
- so d same way, it isn't satisfactory if s'mbody c'ms 2u & say, "believe! believe! believe!" - 01:26:00
- HOW CAN U BELIEVE IF U KNW BETTER? - 01:26:05
- "FAITH OVERC'MS", ppl told me. "faith overc'ms" - 01:26:10
- "u must b born again" - 01:26:15
....... conception of born again .......
- I DON'T KNOW HOW DOES THS WORK. WHR'S D PROVE'N D SCRIPTURE - 01:56:22
# brought me romans chapter 8 - 01:26:25
- paul says, "if u'r born again wht happens's, d spirit of god c'ms'n2 u & it tells u tht god's now ur father & so u cry out, ABBA (FATHER)" - 01:26:30
- abba = father, in aramaic - 01:26:50
- thr's only1 othr place tht paul talks abt ABBA - 01:27:00
- paul says, "d spirit of god c'ms within u. u bcm a child of god. u call out to god abba (father). now god's ur father" & he goes'n2 say, "now u've a new mother also" - 01:27:05
- GOD'S UR FATHER & U'VE A MOTHER - 01:27:25
- since 1969 till then, 15 yrs, i've yet2 meet sum1 who's born again & ask'em, "who's ur father?". dey say, "god". i say, "who's ur mother?". DEY DON'T KNW - 01:27:30
- Y NOT? IT'S'N D BIBLE. it says u've a new mother if u born again - 01:27:40
- y did d spirit of god came within u & forgot2 tell u, "who's ur mother?". IT'S THR. LETS U FIND IT. IT'S THR - 01:27:45
....... god's d father of jesus christ .......
- ppl asks me, "who's d father of jesus?". i say, "he didn't hve a father". dey say, "well thn u c mary's d mother, god's d father"
- 01:28:35
- i say, "u mean mary's d wife of god?". "no!". dey'r horrified. "no!". "god's d father, mary's d mother". thn i ask'em, "his parents weren't married though?". "no! god doesn't take a wife" - 01:28:40
- dey say, "jesus called god father". i always ask ppl2 tell me, "wht do u call god?". probably it's, "father" - 01:29:00
- ppl do say tht, "we pray our father" - 01:29:10
- "but he called himself son of god", they say. & i tell'em, "yes! & he told lots of other ppl son of god" - 01:29:15
# matthew 5:9 (peacemakers, sons of god) - 01:29:20
....... crucifixion .......
- y did god've2 bcm a man & die? - 01:29:35
- if a price has2 b paid4 our sins, y can't we just go find a sinless man & execute'em & say, "thr, d price's paid". 2which ppl always say, "no! if a MAN DIES, it ISN'T ENOUGH. it has2 b s'mn who's GOD & MAN". & so i always ask'em, "do u mean, GOD DIED?". dey say, "no! NO! no! ONLY D MAN DIED!". BACK WHR WE STARTED FRM - 01:29:40
- man dies, it isn't good enough - 01:30:05
- d church's still discussing till ths day still not sure who died'n d cross - 01:30:10
- if a price has2 b paid4 our sins, y can't we just go find a sinless man & execute'em & say, "thr, d price's paid". 2which ppl always say, "no! if a MAN DIES, it ISN'T ENOUGH. it has2 b s'mn who's GOD & MAN". & so i always ask'em, "do u mean, GOD DIED?". dey say, "no! NO! no! ONLY D MAN DIED!". BACK WHR WE STARTED FRM - 01:29:40
- WAS IT GOD? WAS IT MAN? WAS IT GOD-MAN? WHT WAS D DEAL? - 01:30:15
- god doesn't die bcz it means changing frm 1state2 another & god doesn't change frm 1state2 another. he supposed2 b immutable & so'n. still discussing tht - 01:30:20
- dey say, "jesus paid d price 4ur sins" - 01:30:30
....... jesus paid d price 4our sins .......
- in d lord's prayer, jesus taught his disciples how2 pray. he said, "pray lyk ths". & one of d lines he told'em, he said pray to god say, "forgive us our sins as we forgive ths who sins against us" (matthew 6:12 & luke 11:4) - 01:30:35
- how do u forgive s'm who owes u a debt? - 01:30:55
- do u say, "u knw tht money u owe me? forget it. now give me d money" - 01:31:00
- IF U FORGIVE IT THR'S NO PRICE. NOTHING'S PAID. IT'S FORGIVEN - 01:31:05
- if s'm1 slaps u & u forgive'em, tht's d end of dat. but u don't say, "i forgive u4 slapping me, now c'm here i wanna slap u" - 01:31:15
....... god bc'm man .......
- abt 500 yrs ago thr was a jew'n europe, baruch spinoza was his name, philosopher & he wrote a gr8 deal. he made d same point tht ppl r making 500 yrs b4'em. he was frustrated whn d christians'ld c'm2'em & say, "god bcm man". he'ld say, "wht do u mean? god bcm man? i knw wht's god & i knw wht's man & i can't imagine tht wht's god turned'n2 a man. it isn't god nymore. he used2b god. now's a man. i can understand tht & i believe tht makes s'm sense". but tht's not wht d church teaches - 01:31:25
- dey say, "god bcm man but he's still god". & tht causes problem - 01:32:10
- if i've a bal of clay & i squeeze it & i put corners'n it & i make it'n2 a cube. i can tell u, "u c d ball bcm a cube". but i can't tell u, "don't b fooled, it's still round" - 01:32:20
- it was 1thn & it bcm another thn, it isn't tht thn nymore - 01:32:30
- dey solve tht by putting a label'n it. dey call it, "DYOPHYSITISM". doesn't prove nythn - 01:32:35
- dyophysitism = two natures - 01:32:40
- tht's an old trick. whn u don't knw d answer, put a label'n it - 01:32:45
....... nonmuslim conception of muhammad s.a.w. .......
- thr r books & books written abt muhammad tht tell u, "1THING WE KNW SURE ABT THS MAN, HE'D AN OUTSIDE SOURCE OF INFORMATION" - 01:33:50
- one book i've got says, "qur'an was written by a committee" - 01:33:55
- bcz it was established so well, thr's information'n thr tht an arabian shouldn't hve knwn. he must've s'm1'n d outside bringing'em d information. so says, "1THING WE KNW 4SURE THT HE'D AN OUTSIDE SOURCE OF INFORMATION" - 01:34:00
- he said, "THS BOOK'S REVOLUTION" - 01:34:10
- so dey say, "U C? HE'S A LIAR! HE GOT IT FRM S'MWHR, HE PUT IT'N A BOOK & THN HE GAVE IT2 S'M1, TELLING'EM IT'S FRM GOD" - 01:34:15
- HE'S A LIAR - 01:34:20
- other ppl writes books & books'n d subject of muhammad & dey say, "1THING WE KNW 4SURE HE THOUGHT HE'S A PROPHET. HE'S CRAZY" - 01:34:25
# HE'S CRAZY - 01:34:35
- bcz dey look@ his lyf very carefully & dey c episodes lyk 4example: whn he hide'n d cave wid abu baqr as-siddique r.a.a. he's running frm d whole city who wanted2 kill'em & he hide'n d cave & whn d makkan's c'm running up2 d cave2 kill'em, wht did he say2 his friend? did he tell'em, "C IF U CAN FIND A WAY BACK OUTTA D CAVE"? wht he told his friend was, "RELAX". he's telling'em, "I C WHT U C". but he said, "GOD'S WID US! GOD'LL SAVE US". so ppl'n tht basis, dey say, "U C? HE THOUGHT HE'S A PROPHET. HE THOUGHT GOD'S WID'EM. BCZ HE SAID THINGS LYK THT. HE WASN'T A LIAR" - 01:34:35
- dey neva seemed 2 realize tht, I MAN CAN'T B BOTH - 01:35:15
# c, u CANT B a LIAR & a CRAZY man @D SAME TYM - 01:35:20
- if u think tht an angel gives d words of god'n ur ear & s'mbody says, "i've a question 4u, wht does god tell u abt ths thing? i want an answer 2morrw. if u'r crazy man & u think it's an angel whispers'n ur ear, thn u don't sit up tht ni8 thinking, "wht'll i tell'em 2morrw? wht can i find? who knws d answer?". u'r crazy. u think tht angel'll tell u d answer. u don't go & look @up s'mwhr - 01:35:25
# u c, u CANT B a LIAR & a CRAZY man @D SAME TYM - 01:35:55
# u CAN b ONE or d OTHER or NEITHER. but u CAN'T b BOTH - 01:36:00
- i read two non-muslim biographies of muhammad. one's maxime rodinson who hated d man but many interesting thing c'm up abt his lyf tht i'd2 wonder abt. 1story tht's told's tht... - 01:36:05
- whn he was an older man, he'd a son named ibrahim (abraham). d son died whn d child's 2 yrs old. d same day d boy died thr's eclipse of d son. sky went dark & d muslims came running 2d prophet & said, "LOOK IT'S A MIRACLE. UR CHILD DIED & D SKY DARK'N HIS SADNESS" - 01:36:25
- it occurred2 me, c, if he's a CRAZY MAN, he probably BELIEVED wht day said. he probably said, "YES! IT'S A MIRACLE! MY CHILD DIED D SKY'S DARK! YES! IT'S A MIRACLE". if he's a CRAZY MAN - 01:36:50
- if he's a LIAR, he would've TAKEN ADVANTAGE of IT. he would've said, "YES! RI8! MY CHILD DIED, D SKY'S DARK U TELL EVERY1 IT PROVES I'M A PROPHET. IT'S A MIRACLE" - 01:37:00
- but wht did he do? he bcm ANGRY WID d MUSLIMS. he told'em tht's NONSENSE. he's ANGRY WID'EM, "HOW DARE SAY THT?". he said, "d son & d moon'r signs of god & dey don't worry themselves abt d birth of d man or d death of d son of muhammad" - 01:37:10
- DOESN'T look VERY CRAZY. DOESN'T look lyk a LIAR - 01:37:30
- now u've a 3rd alternative of course which ppl tell u all d tym - 01:37:30
- dey say, "no he wasn't a LIAR. he wasn't a CRAZY MAN. he was DECEIVED by d DEVIL" - 01:37:35
# DECEIVED by d DEVIL - 01:37:45
- WHTEVA U SAY U BETTER B READY2 BACK IT UP - 01:37:50
- thr's a lot of difficulties wid tht idea. 4example: the's a verse'n d qur'an (an-nahl,98) which tells d reader abt a good habit2 develop. it tells'em, "b4 u read ths book, always say, i take refuge'n god frm satan d rejected" - 01:37:55
- who said, "b4 u read MY book, ask god2 save u frm ME?" - 01:38:15
- is tht satan who wrote tht? - 1:38:20
# as jesus said, "if satan's divided against himself thn his kingdom'll fall" (matthew 12:26) - 01:38:25
- HE'S FIGHTING AGAINST HIS OWN INTEREST - 01:38:30
- AN EXPLANATION, S'MTHN S'MBODY TELLS U'S JUST SO MUCH AIR C'MING OUTTA HIS MOUTH UNLESS HE HAS PROVE & UNLESS HE OFFERS U S'MTHN THT CAN USE2 FALSIFY IT - 01:38:45
- thr's many theories of how do d planets go around d sun & how do d stars burn & all d rest of it. many theories. most of'em r so much wind. scientist payed no attention to'em. bcz dey don't contain s'mthn tht'ld b checked2 prove it false - 01:39:02
- einstein's considered an intelligent man bcz WHN HE OFFERED HIS THEORY'N 1905 & AGAIN'N 1915, HE DIDN'T JUST OFFERED A THEORY. HE SAID, "HERE'S THREE WAYS2 PROVE I'M WRONG". now it's worth listening2. he's telling, "here's 3 different things u can do, if u can do ths, i'm wrong. here u r!" - 01:39:20
- IS THR ANYTHING LYK THT'N CHRISTIANITY? - 01:39:40
- HAS D CHRISTIANS EVA SAID, "U WANNA PROVE I'M WRONG? ALL U'VE2 DO'S THS". HAD DEY EVA DONE THT? - 01:39:40
- d qur'an's filled wid tht kinda thing! filled wid it! - 01:39:45
- says, "u wanna prove ths thing's wrong? do this! prove it! go ahead! do it!" - 01:39:50
- filled wid tht kinda thing - 01:39:55
- thr's an example of it tht made a big impression'n it's day, during d lyf tym 14 centuries ago, d prophet of islam. he'd an uncle named abu lahab. tht's his nick name. abu lahab. ths man hated muhammad. he hated nythn d man said. he used2 watch'em going through d city & if saw'em talking2 s'm1, he waited till dey split up. he go after d man he spoke2 & take'em & said, "wht did muhammad tell u? whteva it is, it's a lie! did he tell u day? it's ni8! did he say black? it's white!". exact opposite. whteva he heard d muslim say, he said d opposite. tht was d way his mind worked. thr's a little chapter'n d qur'an called lahab & it says abt ths man tht he'll neva change. it condemns'em2 hell (jahannam). u c, if d man'd eva bcm a muslim, d muslim'ld believed tht, "now he isn't condemned nymore". FR 10 YRS B4 ABU LAHAB DIED, THT'S D PART OF D QUR'AN & D MUSLIMS'LD C'M2 ABU LAHAB & SAY, "DO U KNW IT HAS BEEN REVEALED2 US'N OUR BOOK THT U'LL NEVA B A MUSLIM. GOD SAYS U'LL NEVA B A MUSLIM. FR 10 YRS DEY TOLD'EM THT. ALL HE HAD2 DO'S SAY, "UR BOOK'S WRONG! I WANNA B A MUSLIM. WHT DO U THINK OF UR BOOK NOW?". tht's all he'd2 do. he'd 10 yrs2 think abt it. tht's d way he was - 01:39:55
- if s'mbody's ur enemy, u don't c'm & say, "U WANNA PROVE I'M WRONG? HERE SAY THS! C'MN SAY IT. IT'S ALL U'VE2 DO. SAY D WORDS & I'M WRONG! U'LL FINISH ME!" - 01:41:30
- he neva did it - 01:41:40
- c ths's1 of many cases of s'mthn tht's offered tht could've been falsifiable - 01:41:40
....... muslims r better christians thn christians themselves .......
- i didn't say nythn abt christianity tht isn't true. if didn't say nythng abt islam tht isn't true unless it's slip of d tongue or s'mthn. I'M SIMPLY TRYING2 REMIND AN INDIVIDUAL, "DON'T CLOSE UR MIND B4 IT'S TOO LATE! DON'T MAKE UP UR MIND B4 U'VE ALL D FACTS". MOST PPL WHO USED2 B CHRISTIANS & BCMS MUSLIMS'LL TELL U, "I'M A BETTER MUSLIM THN I USED2 B! NOW I FOLLOW CHRIST I DIDN'T B4!". tht's wht i'll tell u!" - 01:42:25
# bible says, "jesus told his disciples whn greet one another, let ur greeting b, PEACE B WID U" (john 20:21) - 01:43:00
- he set d example , "peace b wid u" - 01:43:05
- who says tht 2day? christians? once'n a great while maybe. muslims? whether dey speak arabic or not, dey say, "salamalaikum (peace b wid u)" - 01:43:10
# jesus whn he prayed'n d garden of garden of gethsemane put his forehead'n d ground (matthew 26:39) - 01:43:20
- who prays lyk tht? christians? or muslims? - 01:43:20
# jesus used2 fast4 more thn a month@ a tym (luke 4:2). who fasts today? christians or muslims? - 01:43:25
- who really's trying2 imitate jesus? - 01:43:30
- "D MUSLIMS INSULTS JESUS & SO ON". how possible do dey insult'em? dey lift'em up! up! DEY CAN'T TOLERATE SAYING BAD ABT HIM!!! - 01:43:40
- muhammad rasulullah (muhammad's d msngr of allah) dey'ld just as quickly say, "isa rasulullah". NO PROBLEM! just as quickly dey'ld tell u tht. bcz it's true! dey occupy d same place! - 01:44:00
- IF GOD HIMSELF WANTS2 DISTINCTIONS AMONG HIS PROPHETS, IT'S HIS BUSINESS! NOT OURS! - 01:44:10
- TREAT'EM ALL WID SAME AMOUNT OF RESPECT! - 01:44:20
....... falsifiable statement .......
- d qur'an says2 d muslims, "u'll always find tht those closest who love u'll b d christians rather than d jews" (al-maidah,82). u c 2day, it still stands still even after 14 centuries2 tell'em, "u jews wanna prove d muslims'r wrong? here, d qur'an tells u wht2 do. it says, "treat us better thn d christinas do & we'll believe'n u". it's told d jew, "all u've2 do's start treating muslims very nice. let a few yrs go by & say2 d muslims, DOESN'T U BOOK SAYS THT CHRISTIANS'R BETTER FRIENDS THN WE'R? LOOK, LOOK, WE'R BETTER FRIENDS". but dey neva thought of it - 01:51:15
....... wht a muslim is? .......
- jew = one who praises god. i'm a jew. i praise god. but i'm not an israeli citizen - 02:05:35
- christian = isn't a christ given name. jesus neva said, "call urself christian". tht nick name was given yrs after his tym. but, if by christian u mean, one who follows christ, i'm a christian! - 02:05:50
- muslim = muslims rn't. u mean, u rn't arab or s'mthn. it means s'm1 who submits his will2 god. i'm a muslim. i submit my wills2 god - 02:06:10
........ jesus is god conception .......
- many christians'r now saying, "jesus's god". whn u ask'em, "wht do u mean?". dey say, "he's god's chief spokesmen. if u spit'n jesus's face, it's d same as spiting'n god's face". i agree wid tht. no problem! - 02:16:00
- jesus says, "who honors me, honors god". no problem - 02:16:15
- do u mean his fingernails dey'r divine? whn he cut'em & buried'em dey'r pieces of god? - 02:16:20
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