The Amazing Quran - dialogues of Gary Miller
- d qur'an was called amazing by nonmuslims - 02:20
- d qur'an doesn't appear 2b wht dey'ld except - 02:55
- dey except tht d book'ld (1400yrs) look lyn'n old book frm d desert - 03:05
- if u've a book as old & c'm frm a desert, it'ld talk abt d desert & it does. BUT IT ALSO TAKLS ABT D SEAS. WHT'S LYK 2B'N D SEA. WHT'S LYK 2B'N A STORM'N A SEA - 03:30
- story of a sailor, "ths muhammad (s.a.w.) was he a sailor?" - 04:10
- he embraced islam'n d spot - 04:30
# nur,40 (waves, within waves & darkness between'em) - 04:40
- it isn't wht s'mbody imagines a storm's lyk'n d ocean. it's wht s'mbody knws wht a strom's lyk'n d ocean - 04:45
- theory of atomism - 05:30
# saba,3 & yunus,61 (atom or nythn smaller thn an atom) - 06:35
- historical sources, "d prophet of islam's very concerned w/ health & hygiene" - 07:15
- so u'ld think tht if u've a book which originates'n his head, it'ld talk abt medicine - 07:30
- histoty reports tht he'd a lot of opnions'n ths subject. he'd a lot of ideas abt, "if ths's ur disease thn ths might b ur cure". he'd a lotta opinions tht way - 07:45
- BUT, non of'em r'n d qur'an. THR'S NO HOME REMEDIES'N D QUR'AN - 07:55
- in fact d qur'an only mentions abt 1 item which's not disputed by nybody - 08:05
# nahl,69 (honey=healing) - 08:10
- but it doesn't contain of d man's opinion abt wht's beneficial, wht's d best food 2eat or wht's healthiest 4u, wht'll cure ths or tht disease - 08:20
- encyclopedia, "qur'an's d product of d hallucinations tht ths man'd" - 08:55
- he'd a very difficult lyk. he'd 3 sons who died as infant all his daughters except 1 died b4'em. he'd a wife 4 several yrs who must've been quite a woman. whn d 1st revolution came 2'em, he ran home 2his wife, afraid - 09:05
- evn 2day, u'll hv hard tym finding an arab who'll tell u, "i's so afraid, i ran home 2my wife" - 09:50
- but tht's how influential & strong a woman she apparently's. she died - 10:00
- does d qur'an mentions ny of ths things? d death of his children? his wife? NEVER! - 10:05
- thr must've been things tht hurt'em & tortured'em, caused'em pain & grief, through his whole lyf, dey neva show up'n ths book which's supposed 2've originated'n his tortured mind - 10:15
- D QUR'AN CONTAINS WHT U DON'T EXPECT IT 2CONTAIN & IT'S MISSING WHT U MIGHT EXCEPT'LD B THR - 10:30
- a really scientific approach 2d qur'an's possible bcz d qur'an offers s'mnthn tht isn't offered by religious scriptures. religions don't offer ths. it's wht d science & scientist demands - 10:40
- one demand of scientific community, "IF U'VE A THEORY, DON'T BOTHER ME WID IT UNLESS U BRING WID THT THEORY A WAY TO PROVE THT U'R WRONG. A TEST OF FALSIFICATION. OTHERWISE, DON'T BOTHER ME" - 11:35
- tht's y d scientific community listened2 einstein, "i think d universe works lyk ths & here'r 3 ways 2prove tht i'm wrong" - 11:50
- tht's wht d qur'an has. FALSIFICATION TESTS - 12:25
- it makes statements saying, "if this book is not what it claims to be than all u've 2do's ths or ths or ths 2prove tht it's false" - 12:30
- it offers falsification - 12:45
- i suggest 2u maybe d next hand u get'n2 s'm kinda dispute wid it. s'm abt islam & he's claiming he has d truth, u r'n d darkness, tht mi8 b d 1st thing tht u sugggest 2tell'em, "is thr s'mthn'n ur religion which if i could show it 2u which prove tht u'r wrong? is thr nythn?" - 12:45
- BCZ I CAN PROMISE U, PPL DON'T HVE NYTHN - 13:05
- DEY DON'T CARRY AROUND THT IDEA THT I SHOULDN'T ONLY PRESENT WHT I BELIVE, WHT I OFFER A MAN A CHANCE 2 PROVE ME WRONG. but islam does tht - 13:10
# nisa,82 (inconsistencies) - 13:35
- tht's a challenge 2d unbelievers. saying 2d unbelievers, "u say tht ths book isn't a revolution. thn of course u'll show me a mistake'n d book, won't u?" - 13:50
- tht isn't really even a human nature 2write lyk tht - 14:05
- we don't take an exam'n school & whn we finish d exam we write a note 2d teacher saying, "ths exam's perfect. thr'r no mistakes'n it. find 1 if u can". d teacher won't sleep until he finds a mistake - 14:10
- tht's d way qur'an has c'm. it says, "ths's true. if fact if u don't think it's true thn all u've 2do's show me consistencies whr it says ths whr it says tht & it contradicts itself. it'ld contain many of ths things. shouldn't it? so find one" - 14:25
- advice 2d reader: it tells d reader abt different facts & thn if give an advice saying, "if u wanna knw abt ths or if u doubt wht it says here, thn ask d man who knws (scientists)" - 15:00
# nahl,43 & anbya,7 (ask d ppl who know) - 15:15
- u luk 2d muslims scientists so many centuries ago, u'll find tht thr works'r full of quotations frm d qur'an - 16:00
- dey'll tell u tht dey research'n such & such a place, dey looked fr s'mthn & dey'll tell u, "d reason i looked thr fr ths things bcz d qur'an says such & so'n. dey said tht ths's a good place 2look. it pointed me2 ths direction & hence i found ths" - 16:10
- origin of man - 16:30
- says whr man c'ms frm thn it says 2d reader, "research it!" - 16:35
- grp of brothers'n riyadh, in saudia arabia, collected all of d verses frm qur'an tht talk abt d growth of d human being, embryology. dey took d advice of d qur'an, "ask d man who knws". so dey wanted 2find out. dey chose a person, a man who's a professor of embryology @d university of toronto, not a muslim. name's keith moore. he's d author of text books'n embryology. he knws. he's a world expert'n embryology. dey invited'em 2riyadh & said, "ths's wht d qur'an says abt ur subject, is it true?" - 16:55
- he's so surprised of wht he found tht he changed his textbook (before we're born, 2nd edition) - 17:55
- keith moore, "in fact s'm of d things tht d qur'an said abt d growth of d human being weren't knwn until 30 yrs ago" - 18:40
- in fact 1item he said's new 2'em so he checked'n, ths's true. so he added'n2 his book - 18:50
# haj,5
# mu'minun,14
# qiyamah,38
# 'alaq,2 (leech lyk clot) - 19:10
- he said, "i neva thought abt it b4". but he went 2d zoology department & ask 4pic of a leech & it looks lyk d embryo. so he put both pictures'n his textbooks (clinical embryology) - 19:15
- published'n newspaper wid s'm funny headlines - 19:40
- headline'n d newspaper, "surprising thn found'n d ancient prayer book" - 19:50
- newspaper reporter, "don't u think tht maybe d arabs might've knwn abt ths thngs? d description of d embryo, it's appearance & how it changes & grows? maybe bcz dey'r scientists maybe dey did s'm crude dissections?" - 20:00
- professor, "d man has missed a very important point'n all of d discussions. all d slides tht he projected fr us, all pictures tht he showed us of d embryo're taken through a microscope. it doesn't matter if s'mbody used2 try do discover embryology 1400 ago, dey couldn't see it" - 20:25
- microscope has only been around fr more thn 200yrs - 20:50
- reporter, "if u believe maybe 1400 ago s'mbody had a microscope & he did ths research & dey made no mistakes & thn dey s'mhw taught ths man to put it'n his book saying ths's true. trust me. put it'n ur book thn dey described thr equipment. kept it a secret tht dey'd a microscope" - 21:00
- professor, "do u believe tht? b my guest. u really shouldn't say unless u bring s'm prof bcz it's so ridiculous" - 21:20
- asked, "how do u explain ths information'n d qur'an? how did it get thr" - 21:30
- his explanation: IT CAN ONLY B REVEALED - 21:35
- one of his colleagues, marshall johnson @d university of toronto's in a related field'n embryology, bc'm so interested abt wht d qur'an said guided d professor moore 2s'mn interesting ideas tht he asked d muslims 2collect fr'em everythn dey could'n another subject of his hobby. his hobby's geology - 21:50
- geology, d structure of d earth - 22:15
- man frm yemen, sheikh zindani (abdul majeed al-zindani) who has a very effective way of delivering islam 2d ppl. he doesn't tell'em tht's wht he's trying 2do. but he collects thngs lyk ths - 22:30
- he went 2a man, a british man who's a professor of geo-physics. d man's also'n atheist. he asked'em, "if d earth opens ups & swallows me, wht'ld i see?" - 22:40
- d professor gave'em quite'n explanation - 23:05
- & whn he finished his description, d sheikh asked'em abt translation of d qur'an, "would u read tht verse?" - 23:10
# talaq,12 - 23:25
- he's so surprised tht he accepted islam'n d spot - 24:35
- DON'T B MISLEAD WHT I'M GETTING @HERE. I AIN'T TRYING 2PROVE 2U THT QUR'AN'S REVOLUTION BY TELLING U THS THINGS! WHT I'M TALKING ABT HERE IS'N ATTITUDE THT'S IN D QUR'AN THT U WON'T FIND NYWHR ELSE - 23:55
- bcz d qur'an does a very interesting thn. whn it gives information lyk ths, it often tells d reader... - 24:10
# hud,49
# yusuf,3 (u didn't knw ths b4) - 24:20
- THR'S NO SCRIPTURE THT NYBODY HAS THT I KNW OF THT SAYS THINGS LYK THT - 24:20
- thr'r ancient writings & scriptures tht many ppl've & dey give a lot of info but dey tell u whr d info came frm - 24:30
- "IF U DOUBT IT, CHECK! CHECK IF U DON'T DOUBT IT" - 25:35
- whn 'umar's d caliph, he chosen a grp of men. he said, "go & find d wall of dhul-qarnayn. d arabs neva heard it b4. but d qur'an tells u wht it looks lyk & whr u'll find it. it'ld b'n such & such a place whn u get thr, it'ld look lyk ths" - 25:45
- it's in wht's now called durbend in soviet union - 26:05
- QUR'AN MAYBE ACCURATE ABT A LOT OF THINGS, BUT ACCURACY DOESN'T MEAN THT D BOOK'S A REVOLUTION - 26:15
- WHT IT MEANS'S U'VE A PROBLEM. IT MEANS U'LD FIND S'M EXPLANATION OF WHR THS INFORMATION C'M FRM - 26:20
- an accurate book's not necessarily a divine book - 26:30
- d telephone book probably accurate, it doesn't mean tht it's a revolution - 26:35
- d point's toward d othr direction... IF U FIND A MISTAKE THN U DISQUALIFY S'MTHN & tht's wht d qur'an encourages - 26:40
- angry man in south africa, "i'm going home 2ni8 & i'm gonna find a mistake'n d qur'an" - 26:50
- i said, "congratulations! tht's d most intelligent thng u said! tht's wht u want s'mbody 2do. bcz d book offers d same challenge. says, "do u think ths isn't wht it says it's thn, try ths, try ths". it supposed 2make u look - 27:00
- it isn't a book tht's delivered as though u'r commanded 2believe it, now read - 27:20
- if supposed 2work'n d other way. U READ IT THN U C'M 2BELIEVE IT BCZ U CAN'T DISQUALIFY IT - 27:25
- it earns ur respect - 27:30
- bcz U CAN'T FIND A DISQUALIFICATION - 27:35
- just bcz u can't explain s'mthn doesn't mean tht u've to accept his explanation - 28:05
- d same goes fr d qur'an - 28:10
- u find s'mthn remarkable & surprising'n thr, just bcz u can't explain it, doesn't mean tht u've 2believe it's a revolution, tht's ur business - 28:15
- but it shows d difficulty tht ppl've if dey say, "i don't believe it" - 28:20
- d qur'an points out 2ths ppl, hve an obligation 2find an explanation of tht - 28:25
- in fact it mentions 1man'n an ayath which i've always seen mistranslated'n d english at least. it talks abt... HE HEARD D TRUTH EXPLAINED 2'EM & THN IT SAYS Y HE'S GUILTY. IT SAYS HE GOT UP & LEFT & HE DIDN'T CHECK ON WHT HE HEARD. GUILTY - 28:35
- IF U HEAR S'MTHN BUT U DON'T CHECK 2MAKE SURE IF IT'S TRUE, THEN U'R GUILTY. THT'S A CRIME - 28:50
- U'R SUPPOSED 2PROCESS D INFORMATION 2DECIDE WHICH'S D GUY 2THROW OUT, WHICH'S D GOOD 2KEEP - 28:55
- u'r supposed 2put it'n2 a proper category.... - 29:05
1. IS IT TRUE?
2. IS IT FALSE?
3. IS IT STILL A SPECULATION. MAYBE TRUE, MAYBE FALSE. BUT IDK - d certainty of acceptance of d qur'an c'ms frm exhausting d alternatives - 29:30
- d book says it's a revolution. if u don't bliv tht, wht's it??? u've 2c'm out wid s'm explanation - 29:40
- u've a book. it's paper & ink. whr did it c'm frm? it says it's a revolution. if it isn't, thn whr did it c'm frm? u've 2've s'm explanation - 29:45
- interesting thing's no1 c'm up wid'n explanation tht works. in fact d alternatives's been exhausted bcz dey basically reduced 2ths & it's been well established by non-muslims... - 30:00
1. EITHER THT MAN DECEIVED EVERY1 - 30:20
2. OR, S'MBODY DECEIVED'EM - 30:25
- EITHER HE FOOLED PPL OR S'MBODY FOOLED'EM - 30:30
- u've a large grp of ppl who've researched it fr 100 of yrs &'ll tell u, "1THN WE KNW 4SURE, THT MAN, MUHAMMAD, HE THOUGHT HE'S A PROPHET, HE'S CRAZY". thr'r convinced tht he's fooled s'mhw - 30:45
- another grp'll tell u, "BCZ OF THS EVIDENCE, 1THNG WE KNW 4SURE, THT MAN'S A LIAR. HE FOOLED EVERY1" - 31:00
- ths 2 grps neva seem 2get 2gethr - 31:05
- DEY NEVA SEEM 2REALIZE, U CAN'T B BOTH - 31:25
- if u'r deluded, u think u'r a prophet, thn u don't sit up late at ni8 tryin 2figure it out, "how'll i fool ppl tomorrow so dey think i'm a prophet?" - 31:25
- a great deal of qur'an came & answered 2questions - 31:40
- s'mbody'ld ask d man a question & d revolution'ld c'm w/ d answer - 31:45
- u c, if u'r deluded, u think tht an angel put words 'n2 ur ear, thn whn s'mbody asks u a question, u think tht d angel'ld give u d answer, u'r crazy. u don't tell s'mbdy, "wait till tomorrow, i'll hv d answer" & thn u run 2ur friends & say, "ny1 knw d answer?" - 31:50
- u can't hv it both ways - 32:15
- u'ld b deluded, u'ld be a forger, u'ld b neither1. u can't b both. u can't mix'emg - 32:20
- 1grp of ppl assembled a lot of evidence. dey say, "bcz d qur'an isn't a revolution, we've 2explain ths things. d only explanation of ths things's d man's deluded. he thought he's a prophet" - 31:30
- another grp of ppl say, "bcz d qur'an isn't a revolution, we must explain ths things". dey've different list of things & dey say, "d only explanation of ths facts's d man's a forager. he's a liar. he knw wht he's doing but he's lying" - 32:50
- ths 2 grps don't get 2gether 2realize tht u've 1explain both lists of difficulties. u need ths excuse here. u need tht excuse'n ths place but u can't hv both - 33:05
- u ask s'mbdy, "wht's d origin of d qur'an?". dey'll tell u, "it c'm frm imagination of a man" - 33:25
- if u ask'em, "if it c'm frm head, whr he did he get his information? d qur'an talks abt a lot of things which d arabs didn't knw abt. if it c'm outta his head, how did tht info get'n2 his head?" - 33:35
- thn dey'll tell u, "maybe he wasn't crazy. maybe he's a liar. s'm foreigner brought'em info. so he lied. he told ppl tht he's a prophet" - 33:45
- thn u've 2ask'em, "he's a liar, whr did he get his confidence? y did he behave as though he thought he's a prophet?" - 33:55
- thn he'ld hv 2tell u, "well, maybe he's crazy. he thought he's a prophet" - 34:05
- thn dey start over & go round & round'n d circle - 34:10
- u've d information lyk d wall of dhul-qarnayn. who told ths man abt tht place 100s of miles 2d nother? who told ths man abt embryology? & so on? - 34:20
- hm ppl assembly ths facts, dey've 2assume tht, "well s'mbdy brought'n d info & used it2 fool ppl" - 34:30
- but now if u assume tht he's a liar, whr did he get his confidence? - 34:40
- y's it, fr example, he told s'm ppl 2thr face wht dey wouldn't say? tht involves being convinced tht u've a revolution - 34:45
- d prophet'd an uncle by d name of abu lahab. he's a man who hated islam. who used 2follow d man around. he saw'em speaking 2a stranger, he wait till dey parted & he go 2d stranger & say, "wht did he tell u? did he say black? it's white". tht's how he thought. it's d opposite of wht tht man said. but abt 10 yrs b4 ths man died, b4 abu lahab died, d little surah which's called "lahab", it is'n d qur'an. it says of ths man, he'll neva change. he'll neva b ny different. fr abt 10 yrs, muslims'ld go2 abu lahab & say, "it has been revealed 2us tht u'll neva b a muslim". all he'd 2do was say, "well, i wanna b a muslim. how do u lyk tht? wht do u think of ur revolution now?". but he didn't do tht & yet tht's d kind of behavior u'ld expect frm ths man. he always say d opposite of d muslims said - 35:00
- c how dangerous tht's frm a human point of view, ur saying 2s'mbdy, "u hate me? u wanna finish me? here, say ths words & i'm through. c'mn say tht! say tht!". but he didn't do it! - 36:10
- in order2 put s'mthn lyk tht'n ur book u've2 b convinced tht u really've a revolution - 36:25
- d prophet fled frm makkah 2madina & hid'n a cave wid abu bakr. dey'ld c ppl c'mn 2kill'em. abu bakr's afraid. now if ths man's a forager, s'mbdy who lies 2fool ppl 2say he's a prophet, wht'ld u expect'em 2say whn he sees ppl c'mn 2kill'em? u'ld expect'em mi8 say 2his friend abu bakr, "c if u can find a back way out of ths cave" or "squeeze open a corner & keep quite". but'n fact wht he says 2abu bakr'n tht occasion was 2relax don't b worried. allah's w/ us. he's confident. if u knw u'r fooling ppl, whr did u get ths kind of attitude? - 36:35
- liar & crazy. u can't hv it both ways but dey need both excuses 2explain certain things - 37:35
- "d devil wrote it" - theory - 37:40
- story frm bible: talks abt how s'm of d jews'r witnesses 1day whn jesus raised a man frm d dead. man who've been dead fr 4 days, he said, "get up", d man c'm out of his tomb. it says s'm of d jew who stayed thr & watch, wht did dey do? did dey say, "it's a miracle! d man's dead now he's alive. ths's a true prophet!". s'm of d jews said, "no! it's d devil tht did tht. raised'em up". ths story has rehearsed very often'n churches & ppl cry big tears over tht. dey say, "oh if i've been thr i'ld not've been so stupid as d jews who says tht. nyhow a miracle. a dead man gets up, how'ld i say it's d devil?". dey start 2resemble ths kind of ppl if'n 3 min u show'em enough tht all dey can say, "oh d devil did it. it's too much". maybe d devil did it. but tht's a very quick decision 2make - 38:40
- qur'an, "whn u read ths book, u'r supposed 2b'n d habit. b4 u read ths book 2say, i take refuge'n allah frm satan d rejected 1" - 40:00
# nahl,98 (refuge'n allah) - 40:15
- is ths how satan writes a book? he tell u, "b4 u read my book ask god 2save u frm me" - 40:20
- tht's very very tricky, a man who'ld write s'mthn lyk tht. but can satan do that? can satan put tht'n his book? would god allow satan 2do tht? - 40:30
- s'm ppl really sure tht dey've a spit mind'n ths. dey'll tell u, "yes!" - 40:00
- on d other hand, ths r d same ppl who'll tell u tht d devil's just tht much less thn god. whteva god can do, probably d devil can do tht too - 40:50
- tht's d attitude of s'mbdy who says, "ths book's so surprising, no matter how good it's, d devil'ld do it" - 41:00
- it's a cheap & quick excuse - 41:15
- it should've bring us back 2think abt tht verse i mentioned u b4. ***EVEN DEVILS'LD CONTRADICT ITSELF WHN HE WRITES*** - 41:25
# nisa,82 (contradictions) - 41:30
- "prophet's a liar & he's deceived tht is he fooled himself" - theory - 41:40
- mythomaniac: u tell lies thn u believe'em - 41:55
- problem w/ tht idea's tht mythomania can't deal w/ facts - 42:05
- c d qur'an talks abt facts. things u can go & look & c if dey'r true - 42:15
- D MYTHOMANIAC CAN'T DO THT. FACTS'R A PROBLEM FOR'EM - 42:20
- d psychiatrist tries to tread a man tht confront'em w/ price - 42:25
- if a man, who's mentally ill, he says, "i'm d king of england!". d psychologist doesn't say 2'em, "u'r crazy. u rn't d king of england". he doesn't say tht. he confronts'em w/ price. he says, "u say u'r d king of england? tell me, whr's d queen 2day? who's ur prime minister? bring d army?". or s'mthn lyk tht - 42:35
- so d man has trouble trying 2deal w/ it. he has2make excuses, "queen? she's visiting her mother. prime minister? he resigned". he has2make excuses". bcz d facts d facts give'em trouble - 42:55
- & ths's how he's cured - 43:10
- if u keep putting enough facts'n front of'em, finally he faces d reality. realizes, "i've been deluded" - 43:10
- thts d way d qur'an approaches every1 who reads it. as an ayath which says, "IN THS WORDS, THR'S A HEALING" - 43:20
# al-isra,82 (healing & mercy)
# yunus,57 (instruction, healing & guidance) - 43:25
- THIS'S QUITE OF D MEANING OF THT - 43:30
- it's authority. IT HEALS CRAZY PEOPLE! by telling, "u think ths? u think tht? well, don't forget ths! hv u considered such & such?" - 43:30
- tht's d repeated kind of attitude's drawn'n d qur'an said, "O MAN'VE U SAID SO & SO BUT, DIDN'T U SAY THS? HOW CAN U TRY THT WHN U KNW THS?" - 43:45
- it's always putting d facts'n front of u. PUSHING UR NOSE'N2 WHT'S RELEVENT, WHT MATTERS. SO THT IT HEALS U OF UR DELUSIONS - 43:55
- tht's d least 1 aspect of d meaning of tht verse - 45:05
- MAYBE THT HASN'T BEEN AS ALWAYS APPRECIATED AS IT SHOULD BE - 44:10
- s'm ppl who'ld tell u tht, "d meaning of ths verse's tht thr's medicine'n d words of d qur'an - 44:15
- maybe - 44:20
- i knw a man who's quite ill. so s'mbdy took a page frm a qur'an & poured'n it. dey washed all d words off & put d ink'n a glass & say, "u drink ths, it'll heal u" - 44:30
- maybe - 44:40
- as 2d 1 understanding of d words I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK SO! - 44:40
- but maybe. - but certainly, PPL R HEALED OF THR CRAZYNESS BY D WORDS OF D QUR'AN - 44:45
- it has ths typ of thing confronting ppl w/ facts tht has c'm 2attention 2a lot of nonmuslims - 44:55
- in fact u'll find'n interesting reference'n d new catholic encyclopedia, thr's a catholic tht has been around for so many centuries, d qur'an's a problem for'em. it says it's a revolution. so dey study it. dey'ld love 2find a proof tht it isn't. dey'ld lyk2've an explanation of wht does it read, but dey can't. at least a catholic church has been honest'n it's scholarship, dey don't take d 1st quick excuse. in d new catholic encyclopedia, d article'n d subject of qur'an, d church says... - 45:05
- "OVER D CENTURIES, MANY THEORIES'VE BEEN OFFERED AS 2D ORIGION OF D QUR'AN". in thr own words dey say, "2day no sensible man accepts ny of ths theories. ths leads christians'n s'm difficulty". listen carefully wht dey'r saying. dey'r saying, "FR S'MBDY WHO SAYS D QUR'AN C'M FRM HERE, C'M FRM THR. DEY'VE THS IDEA ... THS THEORY". d church says, "IN 14 CENTURIES WE STILL HAVEN'T HEARD OF A SENSIBLE IDEA. THR'S NO SENSIBLE MAN WHO BELIEVES NY OF THS SUGGESTIONS AS 2BE D ORIGIN OF D QUR'AN" - 45:40
- tht's y dey say, "it leads d christians s'm difficulty". it leads'em a lot of difficulty - 46:15
- HE'LD LYK 2EXPLAIN IT BUT HE HAS'NT BEEN ABLE2 YET! - 46:20
- whn u meet s'm1 who says, "oh d qur'an? it c'm here & thr. i can explain. i've an idea whr it c'm frm" - 46:25
- tell'em, "go & talk 2d catholic church. dey'ld lyk 2hear frm u. dey'r waiting fr'n explanation. if u've got it, dey mi8 buy it frm u" - 46:30
- bcz at least dey've been honest enough 2admit tht'n 14 centuries dey haven't found 1 yet. so it isn't an easy thing 2 dismiss. other grps of ppl has been lot less honest thn tht. dey'll quickly tell u, "o qur'an it c'm frm here, it c'm frm thr" without examining tht - 46:40
- most recently d leading intellectual'n d catholic church ... comb's his name. been along fr lot of yrs. he's highly respected'n d church. d intellect of d church 2day, recently after studying d qur'an, he said, "god has spoken 2men through d man, muhammad". tht's his conclusion as d leading intellect'n d catholic church. i don't think d pope agrees w/'em. bcz he's facing d reality tht it isn't easily pushed aside. but in fact god says ths words - 47:05
- s'mbdy has a better idea, dey'ld go & talk 2d church - 47:55
- others'ld find a new possibility. but i think tht we've exhausted d possibilities. if d book isn't a revolution, thn it's a deception. & if it's a deception, wht's it's origin & whr does it deceive us? - 48:00
- thr'r surprising things u'll find'n d qur'an taken frm ancient tyms but thr'r surprising things found tht've 2do w/ our modern tyms. tht's d qur'an isn't an old problem, it's still a problem 2day - 48:25
- u've d interesting statement 4example tht, "it's d unbelievers who'ld take note of d fact, in d beginning d heavens & d earth're 1piece" tht, "all lyf's made of water". tht's wht dey awarded'n 1973 noble prize fr, couple of unbelievers talkd abt d universe how it begun frm 1piece which dey keep verifying until now - 48:40
# anbya,30 (joined, water)
- tht, "life's made of water" is probably wouldn't hv been an easy thing 2convince ppl of 14 centuries ago. u stood'n a desert & tell s'mbdy, "u c ths? ths's made of water mostly. it's water". tht'd 2wait 4d invention of d microscope 2find out tht cytoplasm, d basic substance of d cell's 80% water - 49:10
- FALSIFICATION TESTS, chances 2prove d qur'an's incorrect. s'm of ths standard just lyk d challenge 2abu lahab, s'm of'em standard 2day - 49:35
# ma'idah,82 (animosity)
- u've an interesting ayath which says, speaking of d relationship, not between individual ppl but between grps of ppl. saying, "as a grp'n a fact, d christians'll treat u nicer thn d jews treat u" - 49:45
- DO U REALIZE WHT THT'S? THT'S A CHANCE 4D JUEW 2PROVE THT D QUR'AN'S FALSE - 50:10
- all dey've 2do's get organized & treat d muslims nicely 4a few yrs & thn say, "wht's ur book says abt who's ur best friend'n d world? who treats u nicest? jews or christians? look wht d jews did 4u" - 50:15
- tht's all i've 2do. haven't done it yet. but it stands. thr's a challenge & if u wanna prove it wrong, do ths - 50:30
- if s'mbdy wants 2insist tht d qur'an's a deception, thn dey've 2show whr d deception's - 50:45
- thr's a common theme tht runs throughout d qur'an tym & tym again. d qur'an says, "do dey such & such? let'em bring thr prove" - 50:55
# anbya,24
# naml,64
# qasas,75
- ur neva supposed 2say s'mthn unless u bring d evidence - 51:05
- "do dey say d qur'an's a deception let'em bring thr proof". "show me 1deception. whr does it deceive me? show me a lie tht it has told if u say it's a deception otherwise don't say tht unless u show me. it's not good enough 2tell me, show me" - 51:10
- & i knw s'm ppl, dey've s'm ideas abt whr d qur'an has deceived d muslim. but ths just shows tht dey haven't examined it very carefully. maybe d muslim hasn't examined it very carefully, in fact - 51:25
- we'll find us an example. s'm christians'll say, "whr d qur'an deceives u's, it tell u abt all sorts of good thngs u'ld do but it lies 2u. it tell u 'GOD DOESN'T HV A SON'" - 51:40
- is tht a lie tht d qur'an has told us? as a matter of fact d qur'an doesn't forbid d muslims tht d god has a son. it doesn't say, "d reason god doesn't hv a song's bcz it forbidden". it doesn't say tht. it tell u y he doesn't hv a son. gives u reason, "god doesn't hv a son bcz, if u say s'm 2one meaning ths? tht can't b! u mean ths whn u say s'm? tht can't b! u mean tht?" - 51:55
- IT EXHAUSTS ALL OF D MEANINGS OF SON - 52:19
- it says, "EACH 1OF THS CAN'T B TRUE OF GOD 4THS REASONS, SO IT DOESN'T FORBID U FRM BELIEVING IT, IT TELLS U Y!" - 52:20
- thr's even'n interesting verse it says, "d muslim's supposed 2repeat, 'if god has a son, i'll b d 1st 2worship'em" - 52:30
# Zukhruf,81
- so it isn't telling u he doesn't. it's saying, "if he does, u'ld worship'em. but in fact he doesn't bcz of ths reasons" - 52:40
- so d deception isn't an easy thng 2find - 52:50
- stress tht 2ppl if dey wanna say d book deceives, let'em show d lie tht dey'r talkin abt - 52:50
- which's d false thing it says??? - 53:00
- man wid a whole book full of mistakes'n d qur'an - 53:20
- he says, "U SHOW ME MISTAKES'N WHT I BELIEVE, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE MY BELIEVE, I'LL STILL BELIEVE. U'LL B D SAME WAY. IF I SHOW U D MISTAKES'N WHT UR BOOK SAYS, U'LL STILL BELIEVE IT" - 53:25
- no! thts d difference between us! - 53:40
- u show me a mistake, i won't believe nymore - 53:45
- i don't believe in spite of d difficulties - 53:50
- u pick d best mistake u can find. tell me abt it - 53:55
# maryam,10 (not speak)
- he wrote (mistake), "d qur'an says tht zechariah couldn't speak fr 3 days & d bible says tht he couldn't speak fr 9 months" - 54:00
- it isn't so much of a mistake as it's a matter of his book says ths & my book says tht - 54:15
- wht it means 2b proved's which book's correct which in fact can b demonstrated. but u c wht i mean, IT ISN'T DISAGREEMENT, THT'S D PROBLEM. IT'S D ACTUAL PROOF. s'mbdy has 2bring d actual mistake. a case tht'll stand up'n court 2say ths's false wht's'n ur book - 54:20
- u can discover how surprising d book's by assembling wht u mi8 call, "A LIST OF GOOD GUESSES" - 55:00
- u c, d qur'an talks abt a lot of things but i can explain 2d it works'n mathematics whn u make guesses... - 55:05
`1st. if u've 2 choices, "1's ri8 & 1's wrong". u close ur eyes & make a choice. 1/2 d tym u'ld be ri8. 1tym outta 2 u'ld b ri8 - 55:18
`2nd. if u've 2 situations lyk tht, "i can b ri8 or wrong abt ths & i can b ri8 or wrong abt tht & i close my eyes & i guess lyk ths, i can only b ri8 1tym'n 4. it bcms 1/2 tyms 1/2. tht's bcz thr's 3 ways 2b wrong now. tht's 1 outta 4 possibilites - 55:35
`3rd. if u've 3 situations lyk tht & u make a blind guess 3 tyms, u'll only b ri8 1tym'n 8. 1/2 tyms a 1/2 tyms a 1/2 - 56:05
`4th. suppose tht ur options're 1 in 10. u've another situation of 10 guesses, only 1's ri8. u close ur eyes & pick 1. u'r only gonna b ri8 1 tym'n a 100. 1/10 tyms 1/10th. bcz u've got 99 ways 2b wrong & only 1 way 2b ri8 - 56:15
- IF U DRAW UP A LIST OF D CORRECT THINGS THT D QUR'AN HAS SAID, IT BC'MS A VERY UNLIKELY THT THS'RE GOOD GUESSES - 56:40
- IF IT HAS MILLIONS OF WAYS 2B WRONG BUT IT'S ALWAYS RI8, THT IT'S UNLIKELY THT S'MBDY WAS GUESSING - 56:50
- 3 examples... - 57:00
- qur'an says abt bees. speaks of d bee which leaves it home 4gathering food & it says ths ayath tht ths bee's female - 57:10
# nahl,68
- a person mi8 guess'n tht so he thought d bees tht u c flying around, tht'ld b male, tht'ld b female. i think i'll guess female - 57:25
- he has 1'n 2 chance of being ri8 - 57:35
- so it happens tht d qur'an's ri8 - 57:35
- also so happens tht isn't most ppl believed @tht tym - 57:40
- can u tell d difference between male bee & female bee? takes a specialist 2do tht nywy - 57:45
- but d male bee neva leaves d home 2gather food - 57:50
- in shakespeare'n henry d 4th, s'm of d characters dey'r talking abt bees & mentioned tht, "d bees r soldiers & dey've a king". also ppl thought'n shakespeare's day. dey thought tht, "d bees u see flying ths'r men bees. dey go home & dey answer 2d king". tht isn't true. ths'r female. dey go home & dey've a queen - 57:55
- it took modern investigations'n d last 300 yrs 2realize tht tht's d case. d qur'an's ri8 - 58:19
- but it'd a 50/50 chance - 58:25
- but here's another situation whr it could've guessed incorrectly - 58:30
- d qur'an talks abt d sun how it travel through space. as d sun's moving through space, thr's at least 2 options. it'ld b travelling just as d stone'll travel if u threw it. of it'ld b travelling'n it's own motion - 58:35
- qur'an says it has it's own motion - 58:50
# yasin,40
# anbya,33
- uses d form of d words "sabaha" which if u use tht word & u talk abt a man he says he did ths "yasbah" along d ground, u don't mean tht s'mbdy rolled'em, u mean he's walking - 58:55
- u say tht if a man'n a walker, u don't mean tht he's floating, means swimming. u say tht of sun, u don't mean tht it's just flying through space, u mean it's turning as it goes through space - 59:00
- d qur'an says tht s sun turns. is tht'n easy thn 2discover? can u say tht d sun's turning? u look @it, u can look 4a second or two thn u've look away. u don't c anythn after few seconds - 59:20
- but'n modern tyms'n equipment's made available 2project d image of d sun down'n 2a table top so tht u can look @it w/out being blinded & thn u c tht after all thr'r spots'n sun & dey move & d sun turns once every 25 days. so it's turning. it's a modern discovery. a lucky guess - 59:40
- but dey'r d 1'n4 abt both of ths guesses abt d bees & d sun correct - 01:00:00
- another indication - 01:00:10
- think back 14 centuries ago, ppl probably didn't understand abt tym zones tht back @ home now my family'r having breakfast as it's dark here, d sun just came up thr. in 14 centuries ago, a man'ld only traven 35 miles a day & if he traveled frm india to morocco, it took'em months. probably whn he'd supper'n morocco, he got back'n home & having supper now'n india. bcz he didn't realize he has moved across d tym - 01:00:10
- but d qur'an's aware of tht - 01:00:45
# zumar,55
- it tells u an interesting ayath, "whn history finishes, whn d judgement day arrives, it'll happen'n an instant" - 01:00:50
- history ends'n an instant - 01:01:00
- it mentions tht, "in tht instant, it'll catch s'm ppl'n d day tym & s'm ppl'n d ni8 tym" - 01:01:00
- so again, it's a good guess & u can draw a list of good guesses & d odds bcm very high as ths r all guesses - 01:01:25
- 2do ths kind of things as follow'n d desert tradition of d muslims 2investigate tht way. d qur'an expects ths kind of challenge - 01:01:25
- if i said 2s'mbdy, "u, i knw ur father. i met ur father". probably he's in doubt, "u just c'm here. how do u knw my father?". he'll say, "how'ld u've met my father? tell me, is he a tall man? short? balled? he's a beard? he wears glasses? whr did u met'em?". but if i keep getting'em all d ri8 answers, finally he may say, "i guess u knw my father. idk how. but i guess i knw'em" - 01:01:45
- d qur'an's in d same situation. it says tht it originates w/ d1 who originated everythn. so u've a ri8 2say, "u've convinced me" - 01:02:15
- if d author of ths book really originated life, originated d heavens & d earth, he'ld knw abt ths, he'ld knw abt tht. tell me s'mthn tht proves u'r thr whn life c'm 2being. do u knw ths? do u knw tht? - 01:02:30
- WE'LD B READY 2GIVE'N ACCOUNT 2JUSTIFY OURSELVES THT'S D MEANING OF EMAN - 01:03:25
- eman isn't properly translated "faith" - 01:03:40
- it usually means'n english faith means, "a promise 2believe s'mthn even though it seems tht it must b impossible" - 01:03:45
- u believe it w/out evidence = faith - 01:03:50
- iman isn't tht - 01:03:55
- d root meaning of tht word means, "confirmation". means whn u check'n s'mthn. u believe it bcz u looked & u saw indications tht it's true - 01:03:55
- it doesn't u prove every item but u look & u c, "it agrees w/ wht i knw so far". u thought abt it so ur eman grows & u'r supposed 2do tht'n ur life - 01:04:05
# furqan,33 (no question, bring, best answer & explanation) - 01:04:25
- so whteva question dey've, answer's in d qur'an - 01:04:40
- in 7 yrs of giving lectures'n various places, i've basically only heard 35 questions. tht's all - 01:04:40
- d qur'an says, "no matter which question dey bring u, we give u'n answer" - 01:05:00
- tht's an interesting thing u'll find if u look @d index of d qur'an. if u look up d word'n d index, "قَالُوْ". it means, "day say". u'll find it's in d qur'an 332 tyms - 01:05:05
- if u search d word "قُلْ" which's d command, "say", u'll find tht it's in d qur'an 332 tyms - 01:05:35
- 332's a long ways to 35 - 01:05:45
- my advice's i suggest, "if u'r gonna take up ths kind of activity 2earn urself d knowledge of qur'an & d answers it gives, thr's a number of things 2keep'n mind. B VERY CAREFUL THT U'R CONSIDERING D ORIGINAL WORDINGS OF D QUR'AN. I DON'T KNW OF NY TRANSLATION OF NY LANGUAGE THT DOESN'T CONTAINS S'M MISTAKES'N D TRANSLATION OR IF NOT MISTAKES, IT DOESN'T MAKE D POINT CLEARLY ENOUGH AS'N D ARABIC. tht not 2say every muslim has 2learn arabic but tht's 2say tht d real answers 2lot of problems's contained'n d arabic. u'll find a lot of examples of ths kinds of thing even whn muslims translate. as 1of d things tht surprised me abt qur'an was how consistent d author's in ths choice of words. if he tells a story 1way, he doesn't trip himself up'n another place by telling it'n a different way. don't be fooled by ths kind of thn" - 01:06:05
- missionary, "if u muslims pay more attention 2d qur'an, u mi8 b christians bcz look wht d qur'an says here abt jesus, it says he is آيَاتُ لِّلْعَالَمِيْنَ, a sign 4all d worlds. u c tht? doesn't say tht abt ur prophet but it says abt jesus. think abt tht u mi8 b a christian" - 01:07:30
# 'anbya,91
# yunus,92
- man, "i wanna sort out d confusion. u said tht bcz i read tht jesus was ayatul al-'amin, i'ld b a christian, wht'ld i b whn i read d qur'an'n ths place whr it say, pharoah was آيَاتُ لِّلْعَالَمِيْنَ? which religion'll tht lead me2?" - 01:07:55
- if u rn't aware of tht, a person can b fooled ths way. d man who said tht probably knw tht but hoped tht d mulims didn't or maybe he didn't knw. doesn't matter. he'll keep using it - 01:08:30
- 2nd advice both 2d mulim & d non-mulim, "IF U'R GONNA INVESTIGATE S'MTHN, TAKE D ADVICE OF D SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY GIVES NOW 'GET HOLD OF A THEORY & DEFEND IT'. EVEN IF IT'S FALSE. DEFEND IF U CAN. BCZ IF IT'S FALSE, EVENTUALLY U WON'T B ABLE 2DEFEND IT. BUT AT LEAST IT HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY TESTED & U MAY PROGRESS. U'LD KNW THS 1'S FALSE. U'VE 2INVESTIGATE ISLAM D SAME WAY" - 01:08:50
- INVESTIGATE IT AS THOUGH U'R A MUSLIM & S'MBDY'S CHALLENGING U. CAN U ANSWER WHT HE SAYS? C D MISTAKE SO MANY PPL MAKE'S DEY TELL U DEY INVESTIGATE ISLAM BUT DEY DIDN'T WANT ISLAM'N NY SENSE SO THR ATTITUDE'S 1ST THN MAKES ISLAM LOOK BAD, "AH, THR'S WHT I NEEDED. THS'S MY EXCUS" & DEY REJECT ISLAM. BUT 2REALLY MAKE PROGRESS, U'VE 2 DEAL W/ IT AS THOUGH U'R'N D INSIDE - 01:09:40
- IT'S D ATTITUDE I TOOK BCZ BELIEVE ME THR'R ALL KINDS OF BOOKS THT CRITICIZE ISLAM. BUT IT OCCURRED 2ME, WHT'LD D MULIMS SAY ABT THS THINGS? IF THR'S ALL THS CRITICISM, Y'S NYBDY A MUSLIM. MAY B D MUSLIMS'VE ANSWERS 2 THS THINGS. IN FACT DEY DO. S'M OF D ANSWERS'VE BEEN AROUND FR 14 CENTURIES. DOESN'T MATTER. PPL KEEP USING D SAME EXCUSES - 01:10:40
- mistake'n d qur'an: d mother of jesus's d sister of aaron (mariam & miriam) - 01:10:45
# maryam,28
- miriam was d sister of aaron. mariam lived hundreds of yrs later whn & was d mother of jesus - 01:11:05
- fr 14 centuries d muslims've explained, "no ths word here translated'n ths way doesn't necessarily mean sister, it means a woman a woman frm tht family. means she's descended frm tht family of aaron. it's a figurative speech 2say sister of aaron means frm d family of aaron. not necessarily literally aaron" - 01:11:15
$ luke 1:5
- do u knw tht d bible says'n d subject of elizabeth, the mother of john the baptist, d mother of yahiya, "she was the daughter of aaron" - 01:11:40
- if u tell d man he'll say, "no no no daughter doesn't mean daughter, it means great-great-great-great-great-great-grand-daughter" - 01:11:50
- tht's an example of taking d first step tht looks lyk it'll work instead of finding does it really work? - 01:12:00
- one last story - 01:12:05
- abt 3 yrs ago a man who's d head of ths missionary grp'n toranto said, "thr's a serious mistake'n d qur'an'n d place whr it says d jew boasted, 'we killed d messiah'". he said, "d jews neva said tht. a jew never say i kill d messiah thr'r waiting 4d messiah dey wouldn't say, 'we kill d messiah'. ur book's wrong" - 01:12:15
- ths's a sarcasm - 01:12:45
- d qur'an also says tht d makkans used 2c'm 2d mulims & say 2'em, "u 2whom d revolution c'm so tell us s'mthn". it didn't mean tht d makkans believed tht d revolution c'm 2ths ppl. dey'r teasing'em - 01:12:45
- d bible says tht d jews said 2jesus whn dey crucified'em, dey said, "save urself messiah". dey didn't say, "false messiah". dey said, "messiah, save urself. c'm down frm thr". so dey teased'em. dey'r sarcastic whn dey said messiah & tht's all d qur'an talks abt - 01:13:00
- didn't matter 2ths man - 01:13:20
- 2 yrs later 1of his students to a talk, "u knw thr's a serious mistake'n d qur'an" & he brings up d same argument - 01:13:25
- i said, "2 yrs ago i said ur teacher ths" & i give'em a reply - 01:13:35
- he said, "tht's a silly argument" - 01:13:40
- i asked'em, "thn y's ur teacher still use it 3 yrs later?" - 01:13:40
- bcz he doesn' care if it works or not. he hopes it'll fool s'mbdy - 01:13:45
- dey use a justification. a scripture passage which says, "if i tell a lie, but it glorifies god, i ain't a sinner" - 01:13:55
- s'm ppl believe tht. tht's wht dey think tht verse means & justifies lying 4d sake of truth. u can imagine such thing - 01:14:05
- my suggestion, u may hear a lot of difficulties ppl try 2bring up. examined & remind'em dey'ld examine - 01:15:35
- task of d muslim isn't 2win ppl away frm thr religions - 01:15:45
- muslim doesn't allow saying, "u shouldn't do tht u'ld do ths. u'ld believe tht & c'm 2islam. tht isn't really d muslim's job - 01:15:50
- d muslim says, "u which eva religion or belief u've, should b more careful. don't commit excess. don't say more thn u've ri8 2say. bcz d muslim believes tht if a person'll do ths, if he makes sure of wht he says, eventually'll c'm 2islam. tht's d starting point - 01:16:00
- qur'an's also often called by the description of "majid" - 01:22:30
- majid isn't tht far frm which u mi8 say "amazed". it means "glorious". it's "surprising" - 01:22:35
# saffat,12 ('عَجِبْتَ) (they ridicule you. but you are amazed)
- d revolution too's spoken of, in 1ayath it says 2d prophet, whn it's revealed to u it says "u marveled!", "u'r amazed! dey ridicule u, but u'r amazed" - 01:22:45
- d linguistics's itself 2day a science. so d surprising aspects of d linguistics'r still a scientific thing 2point out 2ppl d arabic. bcz d language 2day's problem 4ppl. bcz it hasn't changed'n all ths centuries. it borrowed a lot of words frm s'm place, but d arabic's still preserved. do large i suppose 2d qur'an but tht itself's a problem 4d lumps. no other language does tht. it evolves'n tym - 01:23:10
- so tht d linguistics's d 2nd thing tht i noticed'n qur'an tht surprised me so much - 01:23:40
- bcz i've read d translation probably d worsts translation thr's of d qur'an. but thn hving discussions w/ muslims, dey'ld b talking ths & tht & dey'ld say, "do u knw q qur'an say such & such" & i'ld b so frustrated. i think i remember d translation. i don't remember tht. so dey show me'n d arabic & i realized tht d translation missed ths point & tht point - 01:23:45
- so i realized tht a way'n order'n order2 get d full meaning u'll @least got2 examine d original & so much's missing very often'n d translations. s'm really remarkable things dey'r virtually - 01:24:10
- whr d wall of dhul qarnayn's? yatrij r d russians? - 01:24:40
- not specifically unless u loosely mean by russians nybdy who lives north of certain point thn it may well b ths's yajooj & majuj but derbent's in d soviet union but not'n d russian part of soviet union. it is'n d south part & in fact thr's 2 cities called DERBENT but whr u'll find d so called wall of alexander's d description given'n d qur'an. now it's called d alexander's wall bcz it's used 2b believed tht alexander d great build it. tht not been disproved. alexander didn't hv nythn 2do w/ tht wall. a lot of muslims'll tell u, "dhul qarnayn's alexander d great". it seems very doubtful. history'll not now support tht alexander built wall. but it's a description according2 qur'an. DERBENT. probably u'll find'n s'm encyclopedia'n alexander or DERBENT more information abt tht - 01:24:50
- wht's d best english translation of d qur'an? - 01:25:55
- wht i usually tell ppl 2do's, "get as many as u can. bcz if u don't knw d arabic, @least whn u read, compare how d translations'r d same verse & each author translates d verse just just abt d same, thn d chances ur getting most of d meaning outta it. but if dey've different translations 4d same verse, thn thr must b a difficulty. thn u'ld inquire frm s'm of d knws wht's d problem. y did dey've trouble wid ths arabic. so u've a lot of translations 2compare, u can make s'm progress ths way" - 01:26:00
- d nicest reading 1'n english now's probably now by arthur john arberry. thr's 1done by thomas ballantyne irving which's just now c'mn2 print. he spent 25 yrs translating d qur'an'n 2english. HE SPENT 1 YR'N 1 WORD - 01:26:40
- 1of d worst one's made by david daud whr he takes all of d ayath & shuffles'em up'n different orders'n tht & thr's a very deliberate mistranslation'n tht book - 01:27:25
- i'll giv u an example of d kind of mistakes u'll find. i found even'n translations by muslims. u'll find an ayath'n a translation tht tells u, "no1 can change d words of allah" & d same translation'll tell u, "ppl change d words of allah". now it sounds lyk contradiction. it's contradiction bcz of translator's mistake. if u look'n d arabic, u'll find out tht ths's 1of ths pieces of precision'n d qur'an tht whneva d qur'an talks abt words being change, tht talks abt words being changed, it talks abt ... whn it talks abt no1 changes d words of allah, it talks abt d "kalimat" - 01:28:00
- a trick tht's played'n muslims very often. tht's a standard missionary trick. whr ppl'ld say, "look muslims ur book says my book's true! so look my book says ur book is false". wht kind of nonsense?!? - 01:29:15
- d qur'an talks abt other scriptures. it says thr's truth in'em & it says thr's false in'em. it says, "d qur'an'll show u d difference between'em". tht doesn't mean tht if d qur'an says it tht thr book says ths, "d qur'an must b ri8". tht isn't d attitude. d qur'an tell u, "d truth's obvious tht ths's correct can b shown bcz of wht is'n thr book". tht's d difficulties can b demonstrated. it isn't just a case of saying, "my book's true, ur book's false" - 01:29:30
# ma'idah,48 - 01:30:10
- in fact d1 verse tht's used, dey write d missionary books'n it, it's'n d 5th surah, 48th ayath, whr it says, "it was revealed 2confirm d truth'n previous books". & ths's whr ppl stops. & dey say, "hey muslims, ur book says my book's true. dey stop half way 2d sentence. d rest of d verse says, "& quality control over ths books". tells u which parts'r true which part rn't. how u pick up d difference between which parts'r true & which parts rn't - 01:30:05
- more important thn tht's tht whteva d shape of thr scriptures's 2day, whether it contains truth or false, very often tht isn't under discussion whn d qur'an's talking abt thr scriptures. it tells'em, "look'n ur book & u'll find ths. whether ur book's truth or false, leave tht aside 4now" in ur book it says tht. so it points out 2ppl thr'r own difficulties - 01:30:40
- ths follows'n d best tradition of jesus - 01:31:15
$ john, 5:39 (study, think, lyf, testify)
- 5th chapter of john, he criticized d jews. he said, "u ppl read d scriptures all d tym bcz u think'n thr's d secret of lyf". he didn't say, "& ur ri8". he didn't say tht. he said, "but i'm telling u, if u'r more careful abt wht u'r reading, u'll notice tht ths scriptures tell u abt me. u'ld b listening 2me" - 01:31:20
- tht's basically wht d qur'an has said of other scriptures. leaving a sign, is it true or is it false's 2tell'm, "look'n thr scriptures & dey'll find d last messenger's mentioned. d last revolution's mentioned". but it's true or false's thr problem. but dey do've ths1 tht dey can't escape - 01:31:40
- challenge's made & a non-muslim has reacted very well & he said tht he've d ayath tht says tht, "messenger's mentioned by name'n thr scriptures". he's speaking d jews & christians & he points out how thr's lots of jews & christians around thr heard tht whn d revolution's given. dey've perfect chance 2prove d qur'an's wrong. dey could've jumpt @ri8 thn & say, "ok. c'm w/ me 2my house. i've no way 2get off, go ahead of u. c'm w/ me 2my house, u'r welcome 2look @ all my books. u won't find nythn abt ur messenger" - 01:32:00
- nobody did tht. nobody invited d muslims & say, "o ths tym ur book made a mistake. c thr's nothing'n our book abt messenger. c'm & c!" - 01:32:35
- nobody did tht. dey won't talk abt it. tht's y 1 non-muslim scholar has suggested tht d christians & jews @ tht tym @ tht place must've had s'mthn very obvious'n wht dey call scripture tht mentioned d messenger. so dey kept silent @ tht point - 01:32:45
* BEAUTIFUL WOMEN'N HEAVEN AS A REWARD 2MEN = sexist & animal instinct - 01:33:10
# naba,33
# waqi'ah,35-37
* SEXIST: dey'ld look more carefully abt in fact tht's d usual understanding tht if u look @ all d verses related 2tht, IT TALKS ABT COMPANIONS 4PPL. DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY PUT ALL D BELIEVERS'N PARADISE'RE MEN WHO'VE BEAUTIFUL WOMEN. talks abt COMPANIONS suitably chosen 4all believers. ths thr reward. so tht's usually d picture tht ppl draw w/out realizing tht it's much more general explanation of tht 2put place - 01:33:35
- beyond tht, d reason tht tht looks animalistic 2ppl reflex tht d basic difference between islam & many other religions outlooks - 01:34:10
- most religions tell u, "d world's evil. it's out 2trap ppl & so'n. it's a bad place u've 2escape d world" - 01:34:25
- islam doesn't say tht - 01:34:35
- it tells u, "d world. god made it. it's good. thr'r bad things'n it. things tht'll hurt u. he made tht too. but d world itself isn't evil" - 01:34:40
- so tht's d muslim attitude's different. wht he knws & recognizes as a good thing here, it's s'mthn lyk wht'll b a good thing thr. i'll give u a clear example. d qur'an says, "in paradise u can eat a piece of fruit" & it says, "whn u eat it u'ld say, 'ths reminds me of wht i used 2eat'" - 01:34:50
- it's obviously so much better - 01:35:10
- SO WHT U'R FAMILIAR W/ NOW'S S'MTHN LYK WHT U'LD GET THN - 01:35:15
- whether it's FRUIT or COMPANIONSHIP or ... - 01:35:20
- u knw s'mthn abt wht tht's lyk. tht's how paradise's formed - 01:35:25
- tht's basic difference between muslims & others. tht primarily MOST RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS ENCOURAGE D IDEA THT "UR MEANS & UR AIMS'R DIFFERENT. WHT U WANT CAN B DIFFERENT THN HOW U GET IT. D END JUSTIFIES D MEANS" - 01:35:30
- dey'll tell u, "U WANT JUSTICE? WELL, U'VE2 TREAT S'M PPL UNFAIRLY 4A WHILE, THN U'LL GET JUSTICE" - 01:35:50
- d muslims say, "no! u want justice? u practice justice!" - 01:35:55
- "u want truth? u tell d truth!". u DON'T tell a few lies UNTIL d truth C'MS THN u TELL d truth!" - 01:36:00
- D GOAL & D METHODS'R D SAME KIND OF THING - 01:36:05
- so, if u want 2establish d truth, u speak d truth & u'll get a reward lyk tht - 01:36:10
- 1of d rewards of d paradise's it says, "u won't hear anybody talking nonsense'n tht place" - 01:36:20
# naba,35
- if tht wht u want, A REWARD 2B'N A PLACE WHR NOBODY TALK SILLY, THN U'VE2 NOW PUT A STOP 2SILLY TALK - 01:36:25
# al-'asr,3
- tht's y'n d surah al-'asr, 1 of d 4 things. d difference between ths who'r lost & ths who've success, "dey confront one another wid d truth" - 01:36:40
- it means d muslims couldn't b sitting'n here s'mbdy talking here & tht's foolishness - 01:36:50
- he has'n obligation 2s'mhow bring thr attention 2d truth tht matter - 01:36:55
- in s'm way @ least 2say, "i knw wht u said, it isn't true. but excuse me do u want 1more? c'm & c me" - 01:37:00
- but u've 2say s'mthn. thn u'll get a place lyk tht - 01:37:05
- COMPANIONS: tht's metaphorical. i mean d SAME SENSE as d FRUIT's u c? - 01:37:15
# baqarah,25 (fruit)
- if d qur'an says, "eat a piece of fruit" & it's telling u, "whn u eat it, u'ld say ths's s'mthn lyk wht i used2 eate" - 01:37:25
- wht it MEANS tht it MUST B DIFFERENT. so it ISN'T exactly fruit LYK we KNW fruit but'n a way tht's familiar 2us, it's s'mthn lyk fruit - 01:37:30
- but not saying as companions. u mi8 say metaphorically'n tht, "IT'LD B COMPANIONSHIP & IT'LD REMIND US ABT WHT GOOD COMPANIONSHIP'S LYK" - 01:37:40
- thn again IT'S S'MTHN WE DON'T IMAGINE. it's SO MUCH BETTER thn tht - 01:37:50
- PARADISE'S FAMILIAR BUT BETTER THN U CAN EXPECT - 01:37:55
* ABROGATED VERSES - 01:38:20
- ths means tht, "s'm verses'r over ruled by other verses. tht's a verse say ths but other verse tells u 'tht isn't true nymore" - 01:38:25
- THR'S NO SUCH PAIR OF VERSES'N D QUR'AN! IMPOSSIBLE! - 01:38:35
- D QUR'AN SAYS IT DOESN'T HVE NY CONTRADICTION SO HOW CAN THR B 1 VERSE IT TELLS U S'MTHN DIFFERENT THN ANOTHER VERSE? - 01:38:38
# nisa,82 (inconsistencies)
- d ayath says, "if it c'm frm other thn allah, surely u'll find'n it, اِخْتِلَافًا كَثِيرًا, many inconsistencies" - 01:38:45
- so thr'r no. THR'S NO INCONSISTENCY - 01:38:50
- d misunderstanding often c'ms 4example s'm of'em say, "can u show me abrogated verse? they say this1 it says, 'don't pray if u've been drinking'. but ths ayath says 'don't drink'" - 01:38:50
# nisa, 43 (don't pray, drinking)
# ma'idah, 90 (don't drink)
- IT DOESN'T HVE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS! THS 1 ISN'T DIFFERENT FRM THT 1" - 01:39:05
- 2say, "don't pray whn u've been drinking" isn't erased by a verse which says, "don't drink" - 01:39:10
- example of misunderstanding: ppl say, "d qur'an says, don't take a second wife unless u can treat'em equally" - 01:39:45
# nisa,3
- but dey say'n ths verse it say, "u can take 4". so it's a contradiction - 01:39:55
- IT ISN'T A CONTRADICTION. 1'S A QUALIFICATION & D OTHER 1'S A LIMITATION. IT'S CALLED A COUNTER DISTINCTION - 01:40:00
- tht isn't in conflict saying, "don't hve more thn 1 wife if u can't treat'em equally isn't d opposite of saying, don't take more thn 4" - 01:40:05
- thr's NO such thing as an ABROGATED VERSE if d abrogation means, "ths verse tells u ths1 isn't true nymore". THR'S NO SUCH VERSE LYK THT. THR'R VERSES WHICH SWALLOW UP OTHER VERSES BUT DEY DON'T CONTRADICT'EM - 01:40:25
- if s'mbody wants 2find a contradiction'n d qur'an he's welcome2 even examine d so called abrogated verses & u won't find contradiction - 01:40:40
- missionary, "d qur'an abrogates other verses so it must contain contradictions" - 01:41:00
- but dey don't seem2 realize tht, NY VERSE THT NYBODY EVER TALKED ABT INVOLVING ABROGATION'S RELATED2 LEGAL MATTERS & YET D AYATH'N D QUR'AN THT TALKS ABT ABROGATION'S A MAKKAN AYATH WHR AS D LAWS DIDN'T C'M TILL MADINA. SO WHT BEING TALKED ABT THT S'M AYATH'S REPLACES BY ANOTHER AYATH CAN'T MEAN AYATH OF D QUR'AN IT HAS2 MEAN PREVIOUS AYATH. THT MEANS OTHER THINGS THT PPL'VE B4 D QUR'AN - 01:41:05
* authenticity of d qur'an - 01:41:40
- u've2 eliminated d possibilities. if s'mbody says, "ur book isn't a revolution" thn u've2 ask'em, "tell me wht's it? wht's it thn?". if he says, "it's a lie", u say, "show me a lie! whr does it tell a lie?". if he says, "ur prophet's a lunatic", u say, "show me a crazy thing. if he's a lunatic thn how do u explain his information? if he's a liar, how do u explain his attitude?" - 01:42:05
- u gotta give it back2 s'mbody 2say, "if u claim tht he's ths thn u've2 prove me tht. i can show u y it can't b tht" - 01:42:35
- SO U ESTABLISH IT BY ELIMINATING D ALTERNATIVES - 01:42:40
* qur'an abt future
- hadith, "d wonders of ths book neva cease" - 01:42:40
- meaning tht, "in every generation thr'r new surprises" - 01:43:05
- history may continue fr 10 thousand yrs & thr'll still b muslims saying, "i've never noticed tht b4. tht's amazing!" - 01:43:10
- s'mthn new'n another generation - 01:43:20
# naml,82
- دَابَّتً - 01:43:40
- دَابَّتً means any kinda animal tht crawls. it tells u دَابَّتً lives'n d heavens & 'n earth - 01:43:45
- it mentions tht, "دَابَّتً, in d heavens & d earth & d places'n between'em" - 01:44:00
- so as far as u c frm whr u'r & all d places between thr's دَابَّتً - 01:44:05
- no1 found1 yet but tht's d thing tht whn's found d muslims can say, "i knw it! it must b true! d qur'an said so". an example of tht kinda thing - 01:44:10
- d early muslim astronomers, mathematics, biologists, medical men, chemist & so'n see s'm little thing'n d qur'an tht looks interesting, "wht'll i find if i look?" & dey found lot of surprising things - 01:45:10
* messiah being killed by d jew
- d jews said, "we killed d messiah" - 01:46:00
# nisa,157
- d qur'an goes'n 2say, "dey'r mistaken. dey didn't kill'em. tht's wht it looked lyk" - 01:46:05
- it doesn't specifically say'n d qur'an tht s'mbody was substituted - 01:46:10
- it simply says, "doubtful" - 01:46:15
- so, dey mayb killed d wrong man, mayb dey killed nobody. but wht we knw tht dey didn't kill d messiah - 01:46:40
* surah which inspired me most
- 1 of d 1st things tht occurred 2me's tht, i mentioned ths ayath tht challenges u2 find mistakes'n d qur'an tht's d surah al-hadid begins by saying'n d 3rd ayath, "no matter whr u start, thr's s'mthn u can't escape. s'mthn thr's which's 1st, last, outermost, innermost" - 01:47:05
# hadid,3
- & looking@ths ths's whr u find God - 01:47:30
- & of course ths surah al-ikhlas, just'n few words thr's a wealth of materials thr - 01:47:35
- s'mbody asked d prophet 1tym, "whr do God c'm frm?" - 01:47:45
- he didn't say as most muslims say 2day, "ohh! ths's a shaitan's question" - 01:47:50
- he quoted tht surah. it gives @ least 4 answers tht each ayath gives u an answer. tht's impressive 2me - 01:48:00
* word "holly"
- d world "holly" is really, tht's a troublesome word'n english. i don't use it2 talk abt d qur'an bcz it's inappropriate'n english technically - 01:51:45
- d word "HOLLY" c'ms frm d same root as "WHOLE" - 01:52:00
- SO PPL RN'T "WHOLLY" ONLY1'S "WHOLLY"! THR'S ONLY 1 WHO'S "WHOLLY"! HE'S ALLAH! THE ONE!!! - 01:52:08
- tht's d original understanding even english. d word "holy" it only applies tht u say, "god is 'holy' bcz he's 1 'whole' thing. nobody else's 1 lyk tht'. but it's falling'n2 such careless use tht ppl got "holy men" & "holy this" & "holy tht" - 01:52:15
- tht's unfortunate - 01:52:30
- even d arabic word "اَلْمَقْدُسْ" is s'mtyms translated "holy" - 01:52:35
- tht isn't really d best english word 4tht bcz of misunderstanding - 01:52:39
- ONLY ALLAH'S HOLY - 01:52:46
- D QUR'AN MAYB "KARIM" & "MAJID" & S'M OTHR DESCRIPTIONS LYK THS. BUT NOT "HOLY" IN PROPER MEANING OF THT WORD - 01:52:48
* comparison between muslims & christians in approaches
- d muslims've a different approach just 2giv a comparison of wht dey'r familiar /w christianity - 01:53:25
- d christians says, "GOD REVEALED HIMSELF TO US" - 01:53:35
- d muslims says, "GOD CAN'T REVEAL HIMSELF MAN! CAN'T ABSORB THIS! BUT HE REVEALED HIS WILL! HE REVEALED WHT HE WANTS U2 WANT - 01:53:40
- D SPEECH OF ALLAH'S WHT HE WANTS U2 KNW ISN'T ALLAH - 01:53:50
- u can't describe it tht way - 01:54:00
- usually whn d muslim & d christian use thr word revolution dey talks abt different things. it happens so many tyms. s'mbody says, "WHT'S GOD REVEALED 2U?" - 01:54:05
- i say, "HE TOLD ME WHT HE WANTED ME2 KNW" - 01:54:15
- he says, "NO! NO! NO! WHT DID HE REVEEAAALLEED?" - 01:54:18
- NOW HE'S TALKING ABT S'MTHN ELSE - 01:54:20
- IT MEANS S'MTHN U CAN'T EXPLAIN - 01:54:24
- BCZ THT'S WHT DEY MEAN BY REVOLUTION - 01:54:30
- tht isn't really d conception of qur'an - 01:54:33
- تَنْزِلْ is information given 2u - 01:54:35
- but tht's maybe not u want going 4'n argument tht's old of thousand yrs ago - 01:54:40
- ppl argue abt qur'an created or uncreated already backed'n a long tym - 01:54:45
* is qur'an complete- d qur'an says many tyms tht it's tht it's complete - 01:56:50
- u'll find tht'n d 6th surah, 112 & 113 ayath. it says, "thr's nothing tht - 01:56:55
- i remembered talkin w/'n egyptian brother 1tym & i mentioned ths ayath & he says, "tht isn't true!" - 01:57:05
- u need ths & u
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- 01:57:10
- MUSLIMS'LD FALL'N2 D SAME TRAP THT S'M RELIGIOUS GROUPS FALL'N2. THT'S DEY BELIEVE'N THR BOOK & DEY BC'M SO RAPPED UP'N THS BOOK, DEY DON'T KNW ANYTHN ELSE! - 01:57:30
- d qur'an isn't of tht nature - 01:57:45
- D QUR'AN TELLS U WHT U NEED'S HERE, IT LACKS NOTHING. WHT DOES IT TELL U2 DO? TYM & TYM AGAIN. IT SAYS, "LOOK HERE! LOOK THR! IF U DOUBT THT THS TRUE, LOOK THR, U'LL C IT! VARIFY IT! EXAMINE THT! RESEARCH THS! FIND OUT MORE ABT THT! - 01:57:50
- so it keeps directing ur attention2 ... - 01:58:05
