- The Qur'an doesn't appear to be what they had except - 02:55
- They except that the book would (1400yrs) look like in old book from the desert - 03:05
- If you've a book as old & come from a desert, it'd talk about the desert & it does. BUT IT ALSO TAKLS ABOUT THE SEAS. WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE IN THE SEA. WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE IN A STORM IN A SEA - 03:30
- They except that the book would (1400yrs) look like in old book from the desert - 03:05
- If you've a book as old & come from a desert, it'd talk about the desert & it does. BUT IT ALSO TAKLS ABOUT THE SEAS. WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE IN THE SEA. WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE IN A STORM IN A SEA - 03:30
- Story of a sailor, "This Mu'hammad ﷺ was He ﷺ a sailor?" - 04:10
- He embraced Islam in the spot - 04:30
# Nur,40 (waves, within waves & darkness between them) - 04:40
- It isn't what somebody imagines a storm is like in the ocean. It's what Somebody knows what a storm is like in the ocean - 04:45
- Theory of atomism - 05:30
# Nur,40 (waves, within waves & darkness between them) - 04:40
- It isn't what somebody imagines a storm is like in the ocean. It's what Somebody knows what a storm is like in the ocean - 04:45
- Theory of atomism - 05:30
# Saba,3 & Yunus,61 (atom or anything smaller than an atom) - 06:35
- Historical sources, "The prophet of Islam is very concerned with health & hygiene." - 07:15
- So you'd think that if you've a book which originates in His ﷺ head, it'd talk about medicine - 07:30
- Historical sources, "The prophet of Islam is very concerned with health & hygiene." - 07:15
- So you'd think that if you've a book which originates in His ﷺ head, it'd talk about medicine - 07:30
- History reports that he'd a lot of opnions in this subject. he'd a lot of ideas about, "If this is your disease then this might be your cure". He ﷺ had a lotta opinions that way - 07:45
- BUT, none of them are in the Qur'an. THERE IS NO HOME REMEDIES IN THE QUR'AN - 07:55- In fact the Qur'an only mentions about 1 item which is not disputed by anybody - 08:05
# Nahl,69 (Honey = Healing) - 08:10
- But it doesn't contain of the Man's ﷺ opinion about what is beneficial, what is the best food to eat or what's healthiest for you, what'll cure this or that disease - 08:20
- Encyclopedia, "Qur'an's the product of the hallucinations that this man had!" - 08:55- He would a very difficult like. He ﷺ had 3 sons who died as infant all his daughters except 1 died before them. he'd a wife 4 several yrs who must've been quite a woman. when the 1st revelation came to them, he ran home to His ﷺ wife, afraid - 09:05
- Even today, you'll have hard time finding an Arab who will tell you, "I was so afraid, I ran home to my wife!" - 09:50
- But that is how influential & strong a woman she apparently is. She died - 10:00
- Does the Qur'an mentions any of this things? The death of His ﷺ children? His ﷺ wife? NEVER! - 10:05
- But that is how influential & strong a woman she apparently is. She died - 10:00
- Does the Qur'an mentions any of this things? The death of His ﷺ children? His ﷺ wife? NEVER! - 10:05
- There must've been things that hurt Him ﷺ & tortured Himﷺ, caused Him ﷺ pain & grief, through His ﷺ whole life, they never showed up in this book which is supposed to have originated in His ﷺ tortured mind. - 10:15
- THE QUR'AN CONTAINS WHAT YOU DON'T EXPECT IT TO CONTAIN & IT'S MISSING WHAT YOU MIGHT EXCEPT WOULD BE THERE! - 10:30
- A really scientific approach to the Qur'an's possible because the Qur'an offers somenthing that isn't offered by religious scriptures. Religions don't offer this. It's what the science & scientist demands - 10:40
- One demand of scientific community,
- One demand of scientific community,
"IF YOU'VE A THEORY, DON'T BOTHER ME WID IT UNLESS YOU BRING WID THAT THEORY A WAY TO PROVE THAT YOUR'RE WRONG. A TEST OF FALSIFICATION. OTHERWISE, DON'T BOTHER ME" - 11:35
- That's when the scientific community listened to Einstein, "I think the universe works like this & here are 3 ways to prove that I'm wrong." - 11:50
- That's what the Qur'an has. FALSIFICATION TESTS - 12:25
- That's what the Qur'an has. FALSIFICATION TESTS - 12:25
- It makes statements saying, "If this book is not what it claims to be than all you've to do is this or this or this to prove that it's false" - 12:30
- It offers falsification - 12:45
- I suggest to you maybe the next hand you get in to some kind of dispute with it. Something about Islam & he is claiming he has the truth, you are in the darkness, that might be the 1st thing that you sugggest to tell them, "Is there something in your religion which if i could show it to you which prove that you're wrong? Is there anything?" - 12:45
- I suggest to you maybe the next hand you get in to some kind of dispute with it. Something about Islam & he is claiming he has the truth, you are in the darkness, that might be the 1st thing that you sugggest to tell them, "Is there something in your religion which if i could show it to you which prove that you're wrong? Is there anything?" - 12:45
- BECAUSE I CAN PROMISE YOU, PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING - 13:05
- THEY DON'T CARRY AROUND THAT IDEA THAT I SHOULDN'T ONLY PRESENT WHAT I BELIVE, WHAT I OFFER A MAN A CHANCE TO PROVE ME WRONG. but islam does that - 13:10
# nisa,82 (inconsistencies) - 13:35
- That's a challenge to the unbelievers. saying to the unbelievers, "You say that this book isn't a revelation. Then of course you'll show me a mistake in the book, won't u?" - 13:50
# nisa,82 (inconsistencies) - 13:35
- That's a challenge to the unbelievers. saying to the unbelievers, "You say that this book isn't a revelation. Then of course you'll show me a mistake in the book, won't u?" - 13:50
- that isn't really even a human nature to write like that - 14:05
- we don't take an exam in school & when we finish the exam we write a note to the teacher saying, "This exam's perfect. there are no mistakes in it. Find 1 if you can". The teacher won't sleep until he finds a mistake - 14:10
- that's the way Qur'an has come. it says, "This's true. if fact if you don't think it's true then all you've to do's show me consistencies where it says this where it says that & it contradicts itself. it would contain many of this things. shouldn't it? so find one" - 14:25
- we don't take an exam in school & when we finish the exam we write a note to the teacher saying, "This exam's perfect. there are no mistakes in it. Find 1 if you can". The teacher won't sleep until he finds a mistake - 14:10
- that's the way Qur'an has come. it says, "This's true. if fact if you don't think it's true then all you've to do's show me consistencies where it says this where it says that & it contradicts itself. it would contain many of this things. shouldn't it? so find one" - 14:25
- advice to the reader: it tells the reader about different facts & then if give an advice saying, "If you wanna know about this or if you doubt what it says here, then ask the man who knows (scientists)" - 15:00
# Nahl,43 & Anbya,7 (Ask the people who know) - 15:15
# Nahl,43 & Anbya,7 (Ask the people who know) - 15:15
- You luk to the Muslims scientists so many centuries ago, you'll find that there works'r full of quotations from the Qur'an - 16:00
- They'll tell you that they research in such & such a place, they looked fr something & They'll tell u, "The reason i looked there fr this things because the Qur'an says such & so in. they said that this's a good place to look. it pointed me to this direction & hence i found this" - 16:10
- Origin of man - 16:30
- Says where man comes from then it says to the reader, "Research it!" - 16:35
- Group of brothers in Riyadh, in saudia arabia, collected all of the verses from Qur'an that talk about the growth of the human being, embryology. They took the advice of the Qur'an, "Ask the man who knows". so they wanted to find out. They chose a person, a man who's a professor of embryology at the university of toronto, not a muslim. name's keith moore. he's the author of text books in embryology. he knows. he's a world expert in embryology. They invited them to Riyadh & said, "This's what the Qur'an says about your subject, is it true?" - 16:55
- Says where man comes from then it says to the reader, "Research it!" - 16:35
- Group of brothers in Riyadh, in saudia arabia, collected all of the verses from Qur'an that talk about the growth of the human being, embryology. They took the advice of the Qur'an, "Ask the man who knows". so they wanted to find out. They chose a person, a man who's a professor of embryology at the university of toronto, not a muslim. name's keith moore. he's the author of text books in embryology. he knows. he's a world expert in embryology. They invited them to Riyadh & said, "This's what the Qur'an says about your subject, is it true?" - 16:55
- He is so surprised of what he found that
he changed his textbook (before we're born, 2nd edition) - 17:55
- Keith Moore, "In fact some of the things that the Qur'an said about the growth of the human being weren't known until 30 yrs ago" - 18:40
- In fact 1item he said's new to them so he checked in, this's true. so he added in to his book - 18:50
# Hajj,5
# Mu'minun,14
# Ghafir,67
# Qiyamah,38
# 'Alaq,2 (leech like clot) - 19:10
- He said, "I never thought about it before". but he went to the zoology department & ask for picture of a leech & it looks like the embryo. so he put both pictures in his textbooks (clinical embryology) - 19:15
- Keith Moore, "In fact some of the things that the Qur'an said about the growth of the human being weren't known until 30 yrs ago" - 18:40
- In fact 1item he said's new to them so he checked in, this's true. so he added in to his book - 18:50
# Hajj,5
# Mu'minun,14
# Qiyamah,38
# 'Alaq,2 (leech like clot) - 19:10
- He said, "I never thought about it before". but he went to the zoology department & ask for picture of a leech & it looks like the embryo. so he put both pictures in his textbooks (clinical embryology) - 19:15
- Published in newspaper with some funny headlines - 19:40
- Headline in the newspaper, "Surprising then found in the ancient prayer book" - 19:50
- Newspaper reporter, "Don't you think that maybe the arabs might've known about this things? The description of the embryo, it's appearance & how it changes & grows? Maybe because they're scientists maybe they did some crude dissections?" - 20:00
- Professor, "The man has missed a very important point in all of the discussions. all the slides that he projected fr us, all pictures that he showed us of the embryo're taken through a microscope. it doesn't matter if somebody used to try do discover embryology 1400 ago, they couldn't see it" - 20:25
- Microscope has only been around fr more than 200yrs - 20:50
- Reporter, "If you believe maybe 1400 ago somebody had a microscope & he did this research & they made no mistakes & then they somehow taught this man to put it in his book saying this's true. trust me. put it in your book then they described there equipment. kept it a secret that They'd a microscope" - 21:00
- Headline in the newspaper, "Surprising then found in the ancient prayer book" - 19:50
- Newspaper reporter, "Don't you think that maybe the arabs might've known about this things? The description of the embryo, it's appearance & how it changes & grows? Maybe because they're scientists maybe they did some crude dissections?" - 20:00
- Professor, "The man has missed a very important point in all of the discussions. all the slides that he projected fr us, all pictures that he showed us of the embryo're taken through a microscope. it doesn't matter if somebody used to try do discover embryology 1400 ago, they couldn't see it" - 20:25
- Microscope has only been around fr more than 200yrs - 20:50
- Reporter, "If you believe maybe 1400 ago somebody had a microscope & he did this research & they made no mistakes & then they somehow taught this man to put it in his book saying this's true. trust me. put it in your book then they described there equipment. kept it a secret that They'd a microscope" - 21:00
- Professor, "Do you believe that? Be my guest. You really shouldn't say unless you bring some proof because it's so ridiculous" - 21:20
- Asked, "How do you explain this information in the Qur'an? how did it get there" - 21:30
- His explanation: IT CAN ONLY BE REVEALED - 21:35
- One of his colleagues, Marshall Hohnson at the university of Toronto is in a related field in embryology, became so interested about what the Qur'an said guided the professor moore to some interesting ideas that he asked the Muslims to collect from them everything they could in another subject of his hobby. his hobby's geology - 21:50
- Asked, "How do you explain this information in the Qur'an? how did it get there" - 21:30
- His explanation: IT CAN ONLY BE REVEALED - 21:35
- One of his colleagues, Marshall Hohnson at the university of Toronto is in a related field in embryology, became so interested about what the Qur'an said guided the professor moore to some interesting ideas that he asked the Muslims to collect from them everything they could in another subject of his hobby. his hobby's geology - 21:50
- Geology, the structure of the earth - 22:15
- Man from Yemen, sheikh zindani (abdul majeed al-zindani) who has a very effective way of delivering islam to the people. he doesn't tell them thathatt's what he's trying to do. but he collects thnigs like this - 22:30
- Man from Yemen, sheikh zindani (abdul majeed al-zindani) who has a very effective way of delivering islam to the people. he doesn't tell them thathatt's what he's trying to do. but he collects thnigs like this - 22:30
- He went to a man, a british man who's a professor of geo-physics. The man's also in atheist. he asked them, "If the earth opens ups & swallows me, what would i see?" - 22:40
- The professor gave them quite in explanation - 23:05
- & when he finished his description, the sheikh asked em about translation of the Qur'an, "Would you read that verse?" - 23:10
# talaq,12 - 23:25
- He's so surprised that he accepted islam in the spot - 24:35
- DON'T BE MISLEAD WHAT I'M GETTING @HERE. I AIN'T TRYING TO PROVE TO YOU THAT QUR'AN IS REVELATION BY TELLING YOU THIS THINGS! WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE IS IN ATTITUDE THAT'S IN THE QUR'AN THAT YOU WON'T FIND ANYWHERE ELSE - 23:55
- The professor gave them quite in explanation - 23:05
- & when he finished his description, the sheikh asked em about translation of the Qur'an, "Would you read that verse?" - 23:10
# talaq,12 - 23:25
- He's so surprised that he accepted islam in the spot - 24:35
- DON'T BE MISLEAD WHAT I'M GETTING @HERE. I AIN'T TRYING TO PROVE TO YOU THAT QUR'AN IS REVELATION BY TELLING YOU THIS THINGS! WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE IS IN ATTITUDE THAT'S IN THE QUR'AN THAT YOU WON'T FIND ANYWHERE ELSE - 23:55
- Because the Qur'an does a very interesting thing. When it gives information like this, it often tells the reader... - 24:10
# Hud,49
# Yusuf,3 (You didn't know this before) - 24:20
- THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT ANYBODY HAS THAT I KNOW OF THAT SAYS THINGS LIKE THAT - 24:20
- There ancient writings & scriptures that many people have & they give a lot of info but they tell you where the info came from - 24:30
- "IF YOU DOUBT IT, CHECK! CHECK IF YOU DON'T DOUBT IT" - 25:35
# Hud,49
# Yusuf,3 (You didn't know this before) - 24:20
- THERE IS NO SCRIPTURE THAT ANYBODY HAS THAT I KNOW OF THAT SAYS THINGS LIKE THAT - 24:20
- There ancient writings & scriptures that many people have & they give a lot of info but they tell you where the info came from - 24:30
- "IF YOU DOUBT IT, CHECK! CHECK IF YOU DON'T DOUBT IT" - 25:35
- When 'umar's the caliph, he chosen a group of men. he said, "Go & find the wall of dhul-qarnayn. The arabs never heard it before. but the Qur'an tells you what it looks like & where you'll find it. it would be in such & such a place when you get there, it'ld look like this" - 25:45
- It's in what's now called durbend in soviet union - 26:05
- QUR'AN MAYBE ACCURATE ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS, BUT ACCURACY DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE BOOK'S A REVELATION - 26:15
- WHAT IT MEANS'S YOU'VE A PROBLEM. IT MEANS YOU WOULD FIND SOME EXPLANATION OF WHERE THESE INFORMATION COME
- QUR'AN MAYBE ACCURATE ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS, BUT ACCURACY DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE BOOK'S A REVELATION - 26:15
- WHAT IT MEANS'S YOU'VE A PROBLEM. IT MEANS YOU WOULD FIND SOME EXPLANATION OF WHERE THESE INFORMATION COME
FROM - 26:20
- An accurate book's not necessarily a divine book - 26:30
- The telephone book probably accurate, it doesn't mean that it's a revelation - 26:35
- The point's toward the other direction... IF YOU FIND A MISTAKE THEN YOU DISQUALIFY SOMETHING & that's what the Qur'an encourages - 26:40
- Angry man in south africa, "I'm going home tonight & I'm gonna find a mistake in the Qur'an" - 26:50
- I said, "Congratulations! that's the most intelligent thing you said! that's what you want somebody to do. because the book offers the same challenge. says, "Do you think this isn't what it says it's then, try this, try this". it supposed to make you look - 27:00
- The telephone book probably accurate, it doesn't mean that it's a revelation - 26:35
- The point's toward the other direction... IF YOU FIND A MISTAKE THEN YOU DISQUALIFY SOMETHING & that's what the Qur'an encourages - 26:40
- Angry man in south africa, "I'm going home tonight & I'm gonna find a mistake in the Qur'an" - 26:50
- I said, "Congratulations! that's the most intelligent thing you said! that's what you want somebody to do. because the book offers the same challenge. says, "Do you think this isn't what it says it's then, try this, try this". it supposed to make you look - 27:00
- It isn't a book that's delivered as though you're commanded to believe it, now read - 27:20
- If supposed to work in the other way. YOU READ IT THEN YOU COME TO BELIEVE IT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DISQUALIFY IT - 27:25
- If supposed to work in the other way. YOU READ IT THEN YOU COME TO BELIEVE IT BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DISQUALIFY IT - 27:25
- It earns your respect - 27:30
- Because YOU CAN'T FIND A DISQUALIFICATION - 27:35
- Just because you can't explain something doesn't mean that you've to accept his explanation - 28:05
- The same goes fr the Qur'an - 28:10
- You find something remarkable & surprising in there, just because you can't explain it, doesn't mean that you've to believe it's a revelation, that's your business - 28:15
- Just because you can't explain something doesn't mean that you've to accept his explanation - 28:05
- The same goes fr the Qur'an - 28:10
- You find something remarkable & surprising in there, just because you can't explain it, doesn't mean that you've to believe it's a revelation, that's your business - 28:15
- but it shows the difficulty that people have if they say, "I don't believe it" - 28:20
- the Qur'an points out to this people, have an obligation to find an explanation of that - 28:25
- in fact it mentions 1man in an ayath which I've always seen mistranslated in the english at least. it talks about... HE HEARD THE TRUTH EXPLAINED TO THEM & THEN IT SAYS WHY HE'S GUILTY. IT SAYS HE GOT UP & LEFT & HE DIDN'T CHECK ON WHAT HE HEARD. GUILTY - 28:35
- IF YOU HEAR SOMETHING BUT YOU DON'T CHECK TO MAKE SURE IF IT'S TRUE, THEN YOUR'RE GUILTY. THAT'S A CRIME - 28:50
- the Qur'an points out to this people, have an obligation to find an explanation of that - 28:25
- in fact it mentions 1man in an ayath which I've always seen mistranslated in the english at least. it talks about... HE HEARD THE TRUTH EXPLAINED TO THEM & THEN IT SAYS WHY HE'S GUILTY. IT SAYS HE GOT UP & LEFT & HE DIDN'T CHECK ON WHAT HE HEARD. GUILTY - 28:35
- IF YOU HEAR SOMETHING BUT YOU DON'T CHECK TO MAKE SURE IF IT'S TRUE, THEN YOUR'RE GUILTY. THAT'S A CRIME - 28:50
- YOUR'RE SUPPOSED TO PROCESS THE INFORMATION TO DECIDE WHICH'S THE GUY TO THROW OUT, WHICH'S THE GOOD TO KEEP - 28:55
- You're supposed to put it into a proper category.... - 29:05
- You're supposed to put it into a proper category.... - 29:05
1. IS IT TRUE?
2. IS IT FALSE?
3. IS IT STILL A SPECULATION. MAYBE TRUE, MAYBE FALSE. BUT IDK - The certainty of acceptance of the Qur'an comes from exhausting the alternatives - 29:30
- The book says it's a revelation. if you don't bliv that, what's it??? You've to come out wid some explanation - 29:40
2. IS IT FALSE?
3. IS IT STILL A SPECULATION. MAYBE TRUE, MAYBE FALSE. BUT IDK - The certainty of acceptance of the Qur'an comes from exhausting the alternatives - 29:30
- The book says it's a revelation. if you don't bliv that, what's it??? You've to come out wid some explanation - 29:40
- You've a book. it's paper & ink. Where did it come from? it says it's a revelation. if it isn't, then where did it come from? You've to have some explanation - 29:45
- interesting thing's no1 come up within explanation that works. in fact the alternatives's been exhausted becausethey basically reduced to this & it's been well established by non-Muslims... - 30:00
1. EITHER THAT MAN DECEIVED EVERY NOE - 30:20
2. OR, SOMEBODY DECEIVED EM - 30:25
- EITHER HE FOOLED PEOPLE OR SOMEBODY FOOLED THEM - 30:30
- You've a large group of people who've researched it fr 100 of yrs &'ll tell you, "THEN WE KNOW FOR SURE, THAT MAN, MUHAMMAD, HE THOUGHT HE'S A PROPHET, HE'S CRAZY". there are convinced that he's fooled somehow - 30:45
2. OR, SOMEBODY DECEIVED EM - 30:25
- EITHER HE FOOLED PEOPLE OR SOMEBODY FOOLED THEM - 30:30
- You've a large group of people who've researched it fr 100 of yrs &'ll tell you, "THEN WE KNOW FOR SURE, THAT MAN, MUHAMMAD, HE THOUGHT HE'S A PROPHET, HE'S CRAZY". there are convinced that he's fooled somehow - 30:45
- another group will tell you, "BECAUSE OF THIS EVIDENCE, 1THING WE KNOW FOR SURE, THAT MAN'S A LIAR. HE FOOLED EVERY1" - 31:00
- These 2 groups never seem to get together - 31:05
- THEY NEVER SEEM TO REALIZE, YOU CAN'T BE BOTH - 31:25
- These 2 groups never seem to get together - 31:05
- THEY NEVER SEEM TO REALIZE, YOU CAN'T BE BOTH - 31:25
- If you're deluded, you think you're a prophet, then you don't sit up late at ni8 tryin to figure it out, "How'll I fool people tomorrow so they think I'm a prophet?" - 31:25
- A great deal of Qur'an came & answered to questions - 31:40
- Somebody would ask the man a question & the revelation would come with the answer - 31:45
- You c, if you're deluded, you think that an angel put words in to your ear, then when somebody asks you a question, yo think that the angel'ld give you the answer, you're crazy. You don't tell somebody, "wait till tomorrow, I'll have the answer" & then you run to your friends & say, "ny1 know the answer?" - 31:50
- Somebody would ask the man a question & the revelation would come with the answer - 31:45
- You c, if you're deluded, you think that an angel put words in to your ear, then when somebody asks you a question, yo think that the angel'ld give you the answer, you're crazy. You don't tell somebody, "wait till tomorrow, I'll have the answer" & then you run to your friends & say, "ny1 know the answer?" - 31:50
- You can't have it both ways - 32:15
- Would be deluded, you'ld be a forger, you'ld be neither one. You can't be both. You can't mix among - 32:20
- 1st group of people assembled a lot of evidence. They say, "Because the Qur'an isn't a revelation, we've to explain this things. The only explanation of this things's the man's deluded. He thought He's a prophet" - 31:30
- Another group of people say, "Because the Qur'an isn't a revelation, we must explain this things". They've different list of things & they say, "The only explanation of this facts's the man's a forager. He's a liar. he know what he's doing but he's lying" - 32:50
- This 2 groups don't get together to realize that you've 1explain both lists of difficulties. You need this excuse here. You need that excuse in this place but you can't have both - 33:05
- Would be deluded, you'ld be a forger, you'ld be neither one. You can't be both. You can't mix among - 32:20
- 1st group of people assembled a lot of evidence. They say, "Because the Qur'an isn't a revelation, we've to explain this things. The only explanation of this things's the man's deluded. He thought He's a prophet" - 31:30
- Another group of people say, "Because the Qur'an isn't a revelation, we must explain this things". They've different list of things & they say, "The only explanation of this facts's the man's a forager. He's a liar. he know what he's doing but he's lying" - 32:50
- This 2 groups don't get together to realize that you've 1explain both lists of difficulties. You need this excuse here. You need that excuse in this place but you can't have both - 33:05
- You ask somebody, "What's the origin of the Qur'an?". They'll tell u, "it come from imagination of a man" - 33:25
- If you ask them, "if it come from head, where he did he get his information? The Qur'an talks about a lot of things which the arabs didn't know about. if it come outta his head, how did that info get into his head?" - 33:35
- Then they'll tell u, "maybe he wasn't crazy. maybe he's a liar. some foreigner brought them info. so he lied. he told people that he's a prophet" - 33:45
- Then you've to ask them, "he's a liar, where did he get his confidence? Why did he behave as though he thought he's a prophet?" - 33:55
- If you ask them, "if it come from head, where he did he get his information? The Qur'an talks about a lot of things which the arabs didn't know about. if it come outta his head, how did that info get into his head?" - 33:35
- Then they'll tell u, "maybe he wasn't crazy. maybe he's a liar. some foreigner brought them info. so he lied. he told people that he's a prophet" - 33:45
- Then you've to ask them, "he's a liar, where did he get his confidence? Why did he behave as though he thought he's a prophet?" - 33:55
- Then he'ld have to tell u, "well, maybe he's crazy. he thought he's a prophet" - 34:05
- Then they start over & go round & round in the circle - 34:10
- You've the information like the wall of Qhul-Qarnayn. who told this man about that place 100s of miles to the another? Who told this man about embryology? & So on? - 34:20
- From people assembly this facts, they've to assume that, "Well somebody brought in the info & used it to fool people" - 34:30
- But now if you assume that he's a liar, where did he get his confidence? - 34:40
- y's it, fr example, he told some people to their face what they wouldn't say? That involves being convinced that you've a revelation - 34:45
- Then they start over & go round & round in the circle - 34:10
- You've the information like the wall of Qhul-Qarnayn. who told this man about that place 100s of miles to the another? Who told this man about embryology? & So on? - 34:20
- From people assembly this facts, they've to assume that, "Well somebody brought in the info & used it to fool people" - 34:30
- But now if you assume that he's a liar, where did he get his confidence? - 34:40
- y's it, fr example, he told some people to their face what they wouldn't say? That involves being convinced that you've a revelation - 34:45
- The prophet'd an uncle by the name of Abu Lahab. he's a man who hated islam. who used to follow the man around. He saw them speaking to a stranger, he wait till they parted & he go to the stranger & say, "What did he tell u? did he say black? it's white". That's how he thought. it's the opposite of what that man said. But about 10 yrs before this man died, before Abu Lahab died, the little surah which's called "lahab", it is in the Qur'an. it says of this man, he'll never change. He'll never be any different. fr about 10 yrs, Muslims would go to Abu Lahab & say, "it has been revealed to us that you'll never be a muslim". All he'd to do was say, "well, i wanna be a muslim. How do you like that? What do youu think of your revelation now?". but he didn't do that & yet that's the kind of behavior you'ld expect from this man. He always say the opposite of the Muslims said - 35:00
- See how dangerous that's from a human point of view, you're saying to somebody, "You hate me? You wanna finish me? here, say this words & I'm through. Come on say that! say that!". But he didn't do it! - 36:10
- In order to put something like that in your book you've to be convinced that you really've a revelation - 36:25
- The prophet fled from makkah to madina & hid in a cave wid Abu Bakr. They'd see people come to kill them. Abu Bakr's afraid. now if this man's a forager, somebody who lies to fool people to say he's a prophet, what'd you expect them to say when he sees people come to kill them? You'ld expect them mi8 say to his friend Abu Bakr, "See if you can find a back way out of this cave" or "squeeze open a corner & keep quite". But in fact what he says to Abu Bakr in that occasion was to relax don't be worried. Allah's wtih us. He's confident. If you know you're fooling people, where did you get this kind of attitude? - 36:35
- Liar & crazy. You can't have it both ways but they need both excuses to explain certain things - 37:35
- "The devil wrote it" - theory - 37:40
- Story from bible: talks about how some of the Jews are witnesses 1day when jesus raised a man from the dead. man who've been dead fr 4 days, he said, "get up", the man come out of his tomb. it says some of the Jew who stayed there & watch, what did they do? did they say, "it's a miracle! The man's dead now he's alive. This is a true prophet!". Some of the Jews said, "no! it's the devil that did that. raised them up". This story has rehearsed very often in churches & people cry big tears over that. They say, "Oh if I've been there I'ld not've been so stupid as the Jews who says that.Anyhow a miracle. a dead man gets up, how'ld i say it's the devil?". They start to resemble this kind of people if in 3 min you show them enough that all they can say, "Oh the devil did it. it's too much". maybe the devil did it. but that's a very quick decision to make - 38:40
- Story from bible: talks about how some of the Jews are witnesses 1day when jesus raised a man from the dead. man who've been dead fr 4 days, he said, "get up", the man come out of his tomb. it says some of the Jew who stayed there & watch, what did they do? did they say, "it's a miracle! The man's dead now he's alive. This is a true prophet!". Some of the Jews said, "no! it's the devil that did that. raised them up". This story has rehearsed very often in churches & people cry big tears over that. They say, "Oh if I've been there I'ld not've been so stupid as the Jews who says that.Anyhow a miracle. a dead man gets up, how'ld i say it's the devil?". They start to resemble this kind of people if in 3 min you show them enough that all they can say, "Oh the devil did it. it's too much". maybe the devil did it. but that's a very quick decision to make - 38:40
- Qur'an, "When you read this book, you're supposed to be in the habit. Before you read this book to say, i take refuge in Allah from satan the rejected 1" - 40:00
# nahl,98 (refuge in Allah) - 40:15
- Is this how satan writes a book? he tell u, "Before you read my book ask god to save you from me" - 40:20
- That's very very tricky, a man who'ld write something like that. but can satan do that? can satan put that in his book? would god allow satan to do that? - 40:30
- Some people really sure that they've a spit mind in this. They'll tell u, "yes!" - 40:00
- On the other hand, this r the same people who'll tell you that the devil's just that much less than god. Whatever God can do, probably be devil can do that too - 40:50
- Some people really sure that they've a spit mind in this. They'll tell u, "yes!" - 40:00
- On the other hand, this r the same people who'll tell you that the devil's just that much less than god. Whatever God can do, probably be devil can do that too - 40:50
- that's the attitude of somebody who says, "This book's so surprising, no matter how good it's, the devil'ld do it" - 41:00
- It's a cheap & quick excuse - 41:15
- It should've bring us back to think about that verse i mentioned you before. ***EVEN DEVILS'LD CONTRADICT ITSELF WHEN HE WRITES*** - 41:25
- It's a cheap & quick excuse - 41:15
- It should've bring us back to think about that verse i mentioned you before. ***EVEN DEVILS'LD CONTRADICT ITSELF WHEN HE WRITES*** - 41:25
# nisa,82 (contradictions) - 41:30
- "Prophet is a liar & He is deceived that is He fooled Himself" - theory - 41:40
- Mythomaniac: you tell lies then you believe him - 41:55
- Problem with that idea's that mythomania can't deal with facts - 42:05
- See the Qur'an talks about facts. things you can go & look & see if they're true - 42:15
- See the Qur'an talks about facts. things you can go & look & see if they're true - 42:15
- The MYTHOMANIAC CAN'T DO THAT. FACTS'R A PROBLEM FOR TH - 42:20- The psychiatrist tries to tread a man that confront them with price - 42:25
- If a man, who's mentally ill, he says, "i'm the king of england!". The psychologist doesn't say to them, "You're crazy. You aren't the king of England". he doesn't say that. he confronts them with price. he says, "You say you're the king of england? tell me, where is the queen today? who's your prime minister? bring the army?". or something like that - 42:35
- So the man has trouble trying to deal with it. he has2make excuses, "queen? she's visiting her mother. prime minister? he resigned". he has2make excuses". Because the facts the facts give them trouble - 42:55
- & this's how he's cured - 43:10
- If you keep putting enough facts in front of them, finally he faces the reality. realizes, "i've been deluded" - 43:10
- & this's how he's cured - 43:10
- If you keep putting enough facts in front of them, finally he faces the reality. realizes, "i've been deluded" - 43:10
- Thats the way the Qur'an approaches every1 who reads it. as an ayath which says, "IN THIS WORDS, THERE'S A HEALING" - 43:20
# al-isra,82 (healing & mercy)
# yunus,57 (instruction, healing & guidance) - 43:25
- THIS'S QUITE OF THE MEANING OF THAT - 43:30
- it's authority. IT HEALS CRAZY PEOPLE! by telling,
"You think this?You think that?Well, don't forget this!Have you considered such & such?" - 43:30- That's the repeated kind of attitude's drawn in the Qur'an said, "O MAN'VE YOU SAID SO & SO BUT, DIDN'T YOU SAY THIS? HOW CAN YOU TRY THAT WHEN YOU KNOW THIS?" - 43:45
- It's always putting the facts in front of you. PUSHING YOUR NOSE IN TO WHAT'S RELEVENT, WHAT MATTERS. SO THAT IT HEALS YOU OF YOUR DELUSIONS - 43:55
- That's the least 1 aspect of the meaning of that verse - 45:05
- MAYBE THAT HASN'T BEEN AS ALWAYS APPRECIATED AS IT SHOULD BE - 44:10
- Some people who'ld tell you that, "The meaning of this verse's that there's medicine in the words of the Qur'an - 44:15
- MAYBE THAT HASN'T BEEN AS ALWAYS APPRECIATED AS IT SHOULD BE - 44:10
- Some people who'ld tell you that, "The meaning of this verse's that there's medicine in the words of the Qur'an - 44:15
- Maybe - 44:20
- i know a man who's quite ill. so somebody took a page from a Qur'an & poured in it. They washed all the words off & put the ink in a glass & say, "You drink this, it'll heal u" - 44:30
- Maybe - 44:40
- As to the 1 understanding of the words I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK SO! - 44:40
- i know a man who's quite ill. so somebody took a page from a Qur'an & poured in it. They washed all the words off & put the ink in a glass & say, "You drink this, it'll heal u" - 44:30
- Maybe - 44:40
- As to the 1 understanding of the words I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK SO! - 44:40
- But maybe. - but certainly, PEOPLE ARE HEALED OF THERE CRAZYNESS BY THE WORDS OF THE QUR'AN - 44:45
- It has this typ of thing confronting people with facts that has come to attention to a lot of Non-Muslims - 44:55
- In fact you'll find in interesting reference in the new Catholic encyclopedia, there is a Catholic that has been around for so many centuries, th Qur'an's a problem for them. It says it's a revelation. so they study it. They'd love to find a proof that it isn't. They'd like to have an explanation of what does it read, but they can't. At least a Catholic church has been honest in it's scholarship, they don't take the 1st quick excuse. In the new Catholic encyclopedia, the article in the subject of Qur'an, the church says... - 45:05
- "OVER THE CENTURIES, MANY THEORIES'VE BEEN OFFERED AS TO THE ORIGION OF THE QUR'AN". in tthere own words they say, "Today no sensible man accepts any of this theories. this leads Christians in some difficulty". listen carefully what they're saying. They're saying, "FR SOMEBODY WHO SAYS THE QUR'AN COME FROM HERE, COME FROM THERE. THEY'VE THIS IDEA ... THIS THEORY". The church says, "IN 14 CENTURIES WE STILL HAVEN'T HEARD OF A SENSIBLE IDEA. THERE IS NO SENSIBLE MAN WHO BELIEVES ANY OF THIS SUGGESTIONS AS TO BE THE ORIGIN OF THE QUR'AN" - 45:40
- It has this typ of thing confronting people with facts that has come to attention to a lot of Non-Muslims - 44:55
- In fact you'll find in interesting reference in the new Catholic encyclopedia, there is a Catholic that has been around for so many centuries, th Qur'an's a problem for them. It says it's a revelation. so they study it. They'd love to find a proof that it isn't. They'd like to have an explanation of what does it read, but they can't. At least a Catholic church has been honest in it's scholarship, they don't take the 1st quick excuse. In the new Catholic encyclopedia, the article in the subject of Qur'an, the church says... - 45:05
- "OVER THE CENTURIES, MANY THEORIES'VE BEEN OFFERED AS TO THE ORIGION OF THE QUR'AN". in tthere own words they say, "Today no sensible man accepts any of this theories. this leads Christians in some difficulty". listen carefully what they're saying. They're saying, "FR SOMEBODY WHO SAYS THE QUR'AN COME FROM HERE, COME FROM THERE. THEY'VE THIS IDEA ... THIS THEORY". The church says, "IN 14 CENTURIES WE STILL HAVEN'T HEARD OF A SENSIBLE IDEA. THERE IS NO SENSIBLE MAN WHO BELIEVES ANY OF THIS SUGGESTIONS AS TO BE THE ORIGIN OF THE QUR'AN" - 45:40
- that's why they say, "it leads the Christians some difficulty". it leads them a lot of difficulty - 46:15
- HE'LD LIKE2EXPLAIN IT BUT HE HAS'NT BEEN ABLE TO YET! - 46:20
- When you meet someone who says, "oh the Qur'an? it come here & there. i can explain. I've an idea where it come from" - 46:25
- HE'LD LIKE2EXPLAIN IT BUT HE HAS'NT BEEN ABLE TO YET! - 46:20
- When you meet someone who says, "oh the Qur'an? it come here & there. i can explain. I've an idea where it come from" - 46:25
- Tell them, "go & talk to the Catholic church. they'd like to hear from u. They are waiting for an explanation. if you've got it, they mi8 buy it from u" - 46:30
- Because at least they've been honest enough to admit that in 14 centuries they haven't found 1 yet. so it isn't an easy thing to dismiss. other groups of people has been lot less honest then that. They'll quickly tell u, "O Qur'an it come from here, it came from through" without examining that - 46:40
- Most recently the leading intellectual in the Catholic church ... comb's his name. been along fr lot of yrs. he's highly respected in the church. The intellect of the church today, recently after studying the Qur'an, he said, "God has spoken to men through the man, muhammad". that's his conclusion as the leading intellect in the Catholic church. i don't think the Pope agrees with them. Because he's facing the reality that it isn't easily pushed aside. but in fact god says this words - 47:05
- Most recently the leading intellectual in the Catholic church ... comb's his name. been along fr lot of yrs. he's highly respected in the church. The intellect of the church today, recently after studying the Qur'an, he said, "God has spoken to men through the man, muhammad". that's his conclusion as the leading intellect in the Catholic church. i don't think the Pope agrees with them. Because he's facing the reality that it isn't easily pushed aside. but in fact god says this words - 47:05
- Somebody has a better idea, They'ld go & talk to thechurch - 47:55
- Others'ld find a new possibility. but i think that we've exhausted the possibilities. if the book isn't a revelation, then it's a deception. & if it's a deception, what's it's origin & where does it deceive us? - 48:00
- There are surprising things you'll find in the Qur'an taken from ancient times but there are surprising things found that've to do with our modern times. that's the Qur'an isn't an old problem, it's still a problem today - 48:25
- Others'ld find a new possibility. but i think that we've exhausted the possibilities. if the book isn't a revelation, then it's a deception. & if it's a deception, what's it's origin & where does it deceive us? - 48:00
- There are surprising things you'll find in the Qur'an taken from ancient times but there are surprising things found that've to do with our modern times. that's the Qur'an isn't an old problem, it's still a problem today - 48:25
- You've the interesting statement 4example that, "it's the unbelievers who'ld take note of the fact, in the beginning the heavens & the earth're 1piece" that, "all lyf's made of water". that's what they awarded in 1973 noble prize fr, couple of unbelievers talkd about the universe how it begun from 1piece which they keep verifying until now - 48:40
# anbya,30 (joined, water)
- That, "life's made of water" is probably wouldn't have been an easy thing to convince people of 14 centuries ago. You stood in a desert & tell somebody, "You see this? This's made of water mostly. it's water". that'd to wait 4d invention of the microscope to find out that cytoplasm, the basic substance of the cell's 80% water - 49:10
- FALSIFICATION TESTS, chances to prove the Qur'an is incorrect. some of this standard just like the challenge to Abu Lahab, some of them standard today - 49:35
# anbya,30 (joined, water)
- That, "life's made of water" is probably wouldn't have been an easy thing to convince people of 14 centuries ago. You stood in a desert & tell somebody, "You see this? This's made of water mostly. it's water". that'd to wait 4d invention of the microscope to find out that cytoplasm, the basic substance of the cell's 80% water - 49:10
- FALSIFICATION TESTS, chances to prove the Qur'an is incorrect. some of this standard just like the challenge to Abu Lahab, some of them standard today - 49:35
# ma'idah,82 (animosity)
- You've an interesting Ayath which says, speaking of the relationship, not between individual people but between groups of people. saying, "as a group a fact, the Christians'll treat you nicer than the Jews treat u" - 49:45
- DO YOU REALIZE WHAT THAT'S? THAT'S A CHANCE 4D JUEW TO PROVE THAT THE QUR'AN IS FALSE - 50:10
- All they've to do's get organized & treat the Muslims nicely 4a few yrs & then say, "What's your book says about who's your best friend in the world? who treats you nicest? Jews or Christians? look what the Jews did 4u" - 50:15
- That's all I've to do. haven't done it yet. but it stands. there is a challenge & if you wanna prove it wrong, do this - 50:30
- If somebody wants to insist that the Qur'an is a deception, then they've to show where the deception's - 50:45
- There is a common theme that runs throughout the Qur'an time & time again. The Qur'an says, "do they such & such? let them bring thir prove" - 50:55
# baqarah,111
# anbya,24
# naml,64
# qasas,75
- There is a common theme that runs throughout the Qur'an time & time again. The Qur'an says, "do they such & such? let them bring thir prove" - 50:55
# anbya,24
# naml,64
# qasas,75
- You never supposed to say somethin unless you bring the evidence - 51:05
- "Do they say the Qur'an is a deception let them bring their proof". "show me 1deception. Where does it deceive me? Show me a lie that it has told if you say it's a deception otherwise don't say that unless you show me. It's not good enough to tell me, show me" - 51:10
- & i know some people, They've some ideas about where the Qur'an has deceived the muslim. but this just shows that they haven't examined it very carefully. maybe the muslim hasn't examined it very carefully, in fact - 51:25
- We'll find us an example. Some Christians'll say, "Where the Qur'an deceives u's, it tell you about all sorts of good things you'ld do but it lies to u. it tell you 'GOD DOESN'T HAVE A SON'" - 51:40
- Is that a lie that the Qur'an has told us? as a matter of fact the Qur'an doesn't forbid the Muslims that the god has a son. it doesn't say, "The reason god doesn't have a song's Because it forbidden". it doesn't say that. it tell you why he doesn't have a son. gives you reason, "god doesn't have a son because, if you say some to one meaning this? That can't b! You mean this when you say some? That can't b! You mean that?" - 51:55
- IT EXHAUSTS ALL OF THE MEANINGS OF SON - 52:19
- it says, "EACH ONE OF THESE CAN'T BE TRUE OF GOD FOR THESE REASONS, SO IT DOESN'T FORBID YOU FROM BELIEVING IT, IT TELLS YOU!" - 52:20
- There is even an interesting verse it says, "The Muslim is supposed to repeat, 'If God has a son, Ill be the 1st to worship them" - 52:30
# Zukhruf,81
- So it isn't telling you he doesn't. it's saying, "if he does, you'ld worship them. but in fact he doesn't because of this reasons" - 52:40
- it says, "EACH ONE OF THESE CAN'T BE TRUE OF GOD FOR THESE REASONS, SO IT DOESN'T FORBID YOU FROM BELIEVING IT, IT TELLS YOU!" - 52:20
- There is even an interesting verse it says, "The Muslim is supposed to repeat, 'If God has a son, Ill be the 1st to worship them" - 52:30
# Zukhruf,81
- So it isn't telling you he doesn't. it's saying, "if he does, you'ld worship them. but in fact he doesn't because of this reasons" - 52:40
- So the deception isn't an easy thnig to find - 52:50
- stress that to people if they wanna say the book deceives, let them show the lie that they're talkin about - 52:50
- stress that to people if they wanna say the book deceives, let them show the lie that they're talkin about - 52:50
- Which's the false thing it says??? - 53:00
- Man wid a whole book full of mistakes in the Qur'an - 53:20
- He says, "YOU SHOW ME MISTAKES IN WHAT I BELIEVE, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE MY BELIEVE, I'LL STILL BELIEVE. YOU'LL BE THE SAME WAY. IF I SHOW YOU THE MISTAKES IN WHAT YOUR BOOK SAYS, YOU'LL STILL BELIEVE IT" - 53:25
- Man wid a whole book full of mistakes in the Qur'an - 53:20
- He says, "YOU SHOW ME MISTAKES IN WHAT I BELIEVE, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE MY BELIEVE, I'LL STILL BELIEVE. YOU'LL BE THE SAME WAY. IF I SHOW YOU THE MISTAKES IN WHAT YOUR BOOK SAYS, YOU'LL STILL BELIEVE IT" - 53:25
- No! that's the difference between us! - 53:40
- You show me a mistake, i won't believe anymore - 53:45
- I don't believe in spite of the difficulties - 53:50
- You pick the best mistake you can find. tell me about it - 53:55
# maryam,10 (not speak)
- He wrote (mistake), "The Qur'an says that zechariah couldn't speak fr 3 days & the bible says that he couldn't speak fr 9 months" - 54:00
- It isn't so much of a mistake as it's a matter of his book says this & my book says that - 54:15
- What it means to be proved's which book's correct which in fact can be demonstrated. but you see what i mean, IT ISN'T DISAGREEMENT, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. IT'S THE ACTUAL PROOF. somebody has to bring the actual mistake. a case that'll stand up in court to say this's false what's in your book - 54:20
- You show me a mistake, i won't believe anymore - 53:45
- I don't believe in spite of the difficulties - 53:50
- You pick the best mistake you can find. tell me about it - 53:55
# maryam,10 (not speak)
- He wrote (mistake), "The Qur'an says that zechariah couldn't speak fr 3 days & the bible says that he couldn't speak fr 9 months" - 54:00
- It isn't so much of a mistake as it's a matter of his book says this & my book says that - 54:15
- What it means to be proved's which book's correct which in fact can be demonstrated. but you see what i mean, IT ISN'T DISAGREEMENT, THAT'S THE PROBLEM. IT'S THE ACTUAL PROOF. somebody has to bring the actual mistake. a case that'll stand up in court to say this's false what's in your book - 54:20
- Yo can discover how surprising the book's by assembling what you mi8 call, "A LIST OF GOOD GUESSES" - 55:00
- You c, the Qur'an talks about a lot of things but i can explain to the it works in mathematics when you make guesses... - 55:05
`1st. if you've 2 choices, "1's right & 1's wrong". You close your eyes & make a choice. 1/2 the time you'ld be right. 1 time out of 2 you would be right - 55:18
`2nd. if you've 2 situations like that, "i can be right or wrong about this & i can be right or wrong about that & i close my eyes & i guess like this, i can only be right 1time in 4. it becomes 1/2 times 1/2. that's because there is 3 ways to be wrong now. that's 1 outta 4 possibilites - 55:35
`3rd. if you've 3 situations like that & you make a blind guess 3 times, you'll only be right 1 time in 8. 1/2 times a 1/2 times a 1/2 - 56:05
`4th. suppose that your options're 1 in 10. You've another situation of 10 guesses, only 1's right. You close your eyes & pick 1. You're eonly gonna be right 1 time in a 100. 1/10 times 1/10th. Because You've got 99 ways to be wrong & only 1 way to be right - 56:15
- IF YOU DRAW UP A LIST OF THE CORRECT THINGS THAT THE QUR'AN HAS SAID, IT BECOMES A VERY UNLIKELY THAT THESE ARE GOOD GUESSES - 56:40
- IF IT HAS MILLIONS OF WAYS TO BE WRONG BUT IT'S ALWAYS RIGHT, THAT IT'S UNLIKELY THAT s WAS GUESSING - 56:50
- 3 examples... - 57:00
- Qur'an says about bees. speaks of the bee which leaves it home 4gathering food & it says this ayath that this bee's female - 57:10
# nahl,68
- A person mi8 guess in that so he thought the bees that you see flying around, thAt'ld be male, thAt'ld be female. i think I'll guess female - 57:25
- IF IT HAS MILLIONS OF WAYS TO BE WRONG BUT IT'S ALWAYS RIGHT, THAT IT'S UNLIKELY THAT s WAS GUESSING - 56:50
- 3 examples... - 57:00
- Qur'an says about bees. speaks of the bee which leaves it home 4gathering food & it says this ayath that this bee's female - 57:10
# nahl,68
- A person mi8 guess in that so he thought the bees that you see flying around, thAt'ld be male, thAt'ld be female. i think I'll guess female - 57:25
- He has 1In to chance of being right - 57:35
- So it happens that Qur'an's right - 57:35
- Also so happens that isn't most people believed @that time - 57:40
- Can you tell the difference between male bee & female bee? takes a specialist to do that anywy - 57:45
- So it happens that Qur'an's right - 57:35
- Also so happens that isn't most people believed @that time - 57:40
- Can you tell the difference between male bee & female bee? takes a specialist to do that anywy - 57:45
- But the male bee never leaves the home to gather food - 57:50
- In shakespeare in henry the 4th, some of the characters they're talking about bees & mentioned that, "The bees r soldiers & They've a king". also people thought in shakespeare's day. They thought that, "The bees you see flying these are men bees. they go home & they answer to the king". That isn't true. these are female. They go home & They've a queen - 57:55
- In shakespeare in henry the 4th, some of the characters they're talking about bees & mentioned that, "The bees r soldiers & They've a king". also people thought in shakespeare's day. They thought that, "The bees you see flying these are men bees. they go home & they answer to the king". That isn't true. these are female. They go home & They've a queen - 57:55
- It took modern investigations in the last 300 yrs to realize that that's the case. The Qur'an's right - 58:19
- But it'd a 50/50 chance - 58:25
- But here's another situation where it could've guessed incorrectly - 58:30
- The Qur'an talks about the sun how it travel through space. as the sun's moving through space, there is at least 2 options. it would be travelling just as the stone'll travel if you threw it. of it'd be travelling in it's own motion - 58:35
- But it'd a 50/50 chance - 58:25
- But here's another situation where it could've guessed incorrectly - 58:30
- The Qur'an talks about the sun how it travel through space. as the sun's moving through space, there is at least 2 options. it would be travelling just as the stone'll travel if you threw it. of it'd be travelling in it's own motion - 58:35
- Qur'an says it has it's own motion - 58:50
# Yasin,40
# Anbya,33
- Uses the form of the words "sabaha" which if you use that word & you talk about a man he says he did this "yasbah" along the ground, you don't mean that somebody rolled them, you mean he's walking - 58:55
# Yasin,40
# Anbya,33
- Uses the form of the words "sabaha" which if you use that word & you talk about a man he says he did this "yasbah" along the ground, you don't mean that somebody rolled them, you mean he's walking - 58:55
- You say that if a man in a walker, you don't mean that he's floating, means swimming. You say that of sun, you don't mean that it's just flying through space, you mean it's turning as it goes through space - 59:00
- The Qur'an says that is sun turns. Is that easy then to discover? can you say that the sun's turning? You look at it, you can look 4a second or two then you've look away. you don't see anything after few seconds - 59:20
- But in modern times in equipment's made available to project the image of the sun down In to a table top so that you can look @it without being blinded & then you see that after all there are spots in sun & they move & the sun turns once every 25 days. so it's turning. it's a modern discovery. a lucky guess - 59:40
- But they're the 1'n4 about both of this guesses about the bees & the sun correct - 01:00:00
- Another indication - 01:00:10
- Think back 14 centuries ago, people probably didn't understand about time zones that back @ home now my family'r having breakfast as it's dark here, the sun just came up there. in 14 centuries ago, a man'ld only traven 35 miles a day & if he traveled from india to morocco, it took them months. probably when he'd supper in morocco, he got back in home & having supper now in India. Because he didn't realize he has moved across the time - 01:00:10
- Another indication - 01:00:10
- Think back 14 centuries ago, people probably didn't understand about time zones that back @ home now my family'r having breakfast as it's dark here, the sun just came up there. in 14 centuries ago, a man'ld only traven 35 miles a day & if he traveled from india to morocco, it took them months. probably when he'd supper in morocco, he got back in home & having supper now in India. Because he didn't realize he has moved across the time - 01:00:10
- But the Qur'an is aware of that - 01:00:45
# zumar,55
- It tells you an interesting ayath, "When history finishes, when the judgement day arrives, it'll happen in an instant" - 01:00:50
# zumar,55
- It tells you an interesting ayath, "When history finishes, when the judgement day arrives, it'll happen in an instant" - 01:00:50
- History ends in an instant - 01:01:00
- It mentions that, "in that instant, it'll catch some people in the day time & some people in the ni8 time" - 01:01:00
- So again, it's a good guess & you can draw a list of good guesses & the odds bcm very high as these are all guesses - 01:01:25
- It mentions that, "in that instant, it'll catch some people in the day time & some people in the ni8 time" - 01:01:00
- So again, it's a good guess & you can draw a list of good guesses & the odds bcm very high as these are all guesses - 01:01:25
- To do this kind of things as follow in the desert tradition of the Muslims to investigate that way. The Qur'an expects this kind of challenge - 01:01:25
- if i said to somebody, "u, i know your father. i met your father". probably he's in doubt, "u just come here. how do you know my father?". he'll say, "How'd you've met my father? tell me, is he a tall man? short? balled? he's a beard? he wears glasses? Where did you met them?". but if i keep getting them all the right answers, finally he may say, "i guess you know my father. idk how. but i guess i know them" - 01:01:45
- if i said to somebody, "u, i know your father. i met your father". probably he's in doubt, "u just come here. how do you know my father?". he'll say, "How'd you've met my father? tell me, is he a tall man? short? balled? he's a beard? he wears glasses? Where did you met them?". but if i keep getting them all the right answers, finally he may say, "i guess you know my father. idk how. but i guess i know them" - 01:01:45
- The Qur'an is in the same situation. it says that it originates with d1 who originated everything. So you've a right to say, "You've convinced me!" - 01:02:15
- if the author of this book really originated life, originated the heavens & the earth, he'ld know about this, he'ld know about that. tell me something that proves you're there when life come to being. do you know this? do you know that? - 01:02:30
- WE'LD BE READY TO GIVE IN ACCOUNT TO JUSTIFY OURSELVES THAT'S THE MEANING OF EMAN - 01:03:25
- Eman isn't properly translated "faith" - 01:03:40
- It usually means in english faith means, "a promise to believe something even though it seems that it must be impossible" - 01:03:45
- You believe it without evidence = faith - 01:03:50
- iman isn't that - 01:03:55
- The root meaning of that word means, "confirmation". means when you check in something. you believe it because you looked & you saw indications that it's true - 01:03:55
- Eman isn't properly translated "faith" - 01:03:40
- It usually means in english faith means, "a promise to believe something even though it seems that it must be impossible" - 01:03:45
- You believe it without evidence = faith - 01:03:50
- iman isn't that - 01:03:55
- The root meaning of that word means, "confirmation". means when you check in something. you believe it because you looked & you saw indications that it's true - 01:03:55
- It doesn't you prove every item but you look & you c, "it agrees with what i know so far". You thought about it so your Eman grows & you're supposed to do that in your life - 01:04:05
-So whatever question they've, answer's in the Qur'an - 01:04:40
- In 7 yrs of giving lectures in various places, I've basically only heard 35 questions. that's all - 01:04:40
- The Qur'an says, "No matter which question they bring u, we give you in answer." - 01:05:00
- In 7 yrs of giving lectures in various places, I've basically only heard 35 questions. that's all - 01:04:40
- The Qur'an says, "No matter which question they bring u, we give you in answer." - 01:05:00
- That's an interesting thing you'll find if you look at the index of the Qur'an. if you look up the word in the index, "قَالُوْ". It means, "They say". You'll find it's in the Qur'an 332 times - 01:05:05
- If you search the word "قُلْ" which's the command, "say", you'll find that it's in the Qur'an 332 times - 01:05:35
- 332's a long ways to 35 - 01:05:45
- My advice's i suggest, "if you're gonna take up this kind of activity to earn urself the knowledge of Qur'an & the answers it gives, there is a number of things to keep in mind. BE VERY CAREFUL THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE ORIGINAL WORDINGS OF THE QUR'AN. I DON'T KNOW OF ANY TRANSLATION OF ANY LANGUAGE THAT DOESN'T CONTAINS SOME MISTAKE IN THE TRANSLATION OR IF NOT MISTAKES, IT DOESN'T MAKE THE POINT CLEARLY ENOUGH AS IN THE ARABIC. that not to say every muslim has to learn Arabic but that's to say that the real answers to lot of problems's contained in the Arabic. You'll find a lot of examples of this kinds of thing even when Muslims translate. as 1of the things that surprised me about Qur'an was how consistent the author's in this choice of words. if he tells a story 1way, he doesn't trip himself up in another place by telling it in a different way. don't be fooled by this kind of them" - 01:06:05
- My advice's i suggest, "if you're gonna take up this kind of activity to earn urself the knowledge of Qur'an & the answers it gives, there is a number of things to keep in mind. BE VERY CAREFUL THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING THE ORIGINAL WORDINGS OF THE QUR'AN. I DON'T KNOW OF ANY TRANSLATION OF ANY LANGUAGE THAT DOESN'T CONTAINS SOME MISTAKE IN THE TRANSLATION OR IF NOT MISTAKES, IT DOESN'T MAKE THE POINT CLEARLY ENOUGH AS IN THE ARABIC. that not to say every muslim has to learn Arabic but that's to say that the real answers to lot of problems's contained in the Arabic. You'll find a lot of examples of this kinds of thing even when Muslims translate. as 1of the things that surprised me about Qur'an was how consistent the author's in this choice of words. if he tells a story 1way, he doesn't trip himself up in another place by telling it in a different way. don't be fooled by this kind of them" - 01:06:05
- Missionary, "if you Muslims pay more attention to the Qur'an, you mi8 be Christians because look what the Qur'an says here about jesus, it says he is آيَاتُ لِّلْعَالَمِيْنَ, a sign 4all the worlds. You see that? doesn't say that about your prophet but it says about jesus. think about that you mi8 be a Christian" - 01:07:30
# 'Anbya,91
# Yunus,92
- Man, "I wanna sort out the confusion. You said that because i read that jesus was ayatul al-'amin, I'ld be a Christian, what'ld i be when i read the Qur'an in this place where it say, pharoah was آيَاتُ لِّلْعَالَمِيْنَ? which religion'll that lead me2?" - 01:07:55
- If you are not aware of that, a person can be fooled this way. The man who said that probably know that but hoped that the mulims didn't or maybe he didn't know. doesn't matter. he'll keep using it - 01:08:30
- 2nd advice both to the mulim & the non-mulim, "IF YOU'RE GONNA INVESTIGATE SOMETHING, TAKE THE ADVICE OF THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY GIVES NOW 'GET HOLD OF A THEORY & DEFEND IT'. EVEN IF IT'S FALSE. DEFEND IF YOU CAN. BECAUSE IF IT'S FALSE, EVENTUALLY YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DEFEND IT. BUT AT LEAST IT HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY TESTED & YOU MAY PROGRESS. YOU'LD KNOW THES 1'S FALSE. YOU'VE TO INVESTIGATE ISLAM THE SAME WAY" - 01:08:50
- INVESTIGATE IT AS THOUGH YOU'RE A MUSLIM & SOMEBODY IS CHALLENGING U. CAN YOU ANSWER WHAT HE SAYS? SEE THE MISTAKE SO MANY PEOPLE MAKE'S THEY TELL YOU THEY INVESTIGATE ISLAM BUT THEY DIDN'T WANT ISLAM IN ANY SENSE SO THERE ATTITUDE'S 1ST THEN MAKES ISLAM LOOK BAD, "AH, THERE IS WHAT I NEEDED. THIS IS MY EXCUS" & THEY REJECT ISLAM. BUT TO REALLY MAKE PROGRESS, YOU'VE TO DEAL WITH IT AS THOUGH YOUU'RE IN THE INSIDE - 01:09:40
- IT'S THE ATTITUDE I TOOK BECAUSE BELIEVE ME THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF BOOKS THAT CRITICIZE ISLAM. BUT IT OCCURRED TO ME, WHAT'D THE MULIMS SAY ABOUT THESE THINGS? IF THERE IS ALL THESE CRITICISM, Y'S ANYBDY A MUSLIM. MAY BE THE MUSLIMS'VE ANSWERS TO THIS THINGS. IN FACT THEY DO. SOME OF THE ANSWERS'VE BEEN AROUND FR 14 CENTURIES. DOESN'T MATTER. PEOPLE KEEP USING THE SAME EXCUSES - 01:10:40
- Mistake in the Qur'an: The mother of jesus's the sister of aaron (mariam & miriam) - 01:10:45
- Mistake in the Qur'an: The mother of jesus's the sister of aaron (mariam & miriam) - 01:10:45
- Mariam was the sister of Aaron. mariam lived hundreds of years later when & was the mother of Jesus - 01:11:05
- For 14 centuries the Muslims have explained, "No this word here translated in this way doesn't necessarily mean sister, it means a woman a woman from that family. means she's descended from that family of aaron. it's a figurative speech to say sister of Aaron means from the family of Aaron. not necessarily literally Aaron" - 01:11:15
$ luke 1:5
- Do you know that the bible says in the subject of Elizabeth, the mother of John the Baptist, the mother of Uahiya, "She was the daughter of Aaron" - 01:11:40
- If you tell the man he'll say, "no no no daughter doesn't mean daughter, it means great-great-great-great-great-great-grand-daughter" - 01:11:50
- That's an example of taking the first step that looks like it'll work instead of finding does it really work? - 01:12:00
- One last story - 01:12:05
- About 3 yrs ago a man who's the head of this missionary group in Toranto said, "That is a serious mistake in the Qur'an in the place where it says the Jew boasted, 'we killed the messiah'". he said, "The Jewews never said that. a Jew never say i kill the messiah there are waiting for the messiah they wouldn't say, 'we kill the messiah'. Your book's wrong" - 01:12:15
- One last story - 01:12:05
- About 3 yrs ago a man who's the head of this missionary group in Toranto said, "That is a serious mistake in the Qur'an in the place where it says the Jew boasted, 'we killed the messiah'". he said, "The Jewews never said that. a Jew never say i kill the messiah there are waiting for the messiah they wouldn't say, 'we kill the messiah'. Your book's wrong" - 01:12:15
- This's a sarcasm - 01:12:45
- The Qur'an also says that the makkans used to come to the mulims & say to them, "You to whom the revelation COME so tell us something". it didn't mean that the makkans believed that the revelation come to these people. They're teasing them - 01:12:45
- The Qur'an also says that the makkans used to come to the mulims & say to them, "You to whom the revelation COME so tell us something". it didn't mean that the makkans believed that the revelation come to these people. They're teasing them - 01:12:45
- The bible says that the Jews said to jesus when they crucified them, they said, "save urself messiah". They didn't say, "false messiah". They said, "messiah, save urself. Come down from there". so they teased them. they're sarcastic when they said messiah & that's all the Qur'an talks about - 01:13:00
- didn't matter to this man - 01:13:20
- 2 yrs later 1of his students to a talk, "u know that is a serious mistake in the Qur'an" & he brings up the same argument - 01:13:25
- I said, "2 yrs ago i said your teacher this" & i give them a reply - 01:13:35
- didn't matter to this man - 01:13:20
- 2 yrs later 1of his students to a talk, "u know that is a serious mistake in the Qur'an" & he brings up the same argument - 01:13:25
- I said, "2 yrs ago i said your teacher this" & i give them a reply - 01:13:35
- He said, "that's a silly argument" - 01:13:40
- I asked them, "Then y's your teacher still use it 3 yrs later?" - 01:13:40
- I asked them, "Then y's your teacher still use it 3 yrs later?" - 01:13:40
- Because he doesn't care if it works or not. He hopes it will fool somebody - 01:13:45
- They use a justification. a scripture passage which says, "if i tell a lie, but it glorifies god, i ain't a sinner" - 01:13:55
- Some people believe that. that's what they think that verse means & justifies lying for the sake of truth. you can imagine such thing - 01:14:05
- They use a justification. a scripture passage which says, "if i tell a lie, but it glorifies god, i ain't a sinner" - 01:13:55
- Some people believe that. that's what they think that verse means & justifies lying for the sake of truth. you can imagine such thing - 01:14:05
- My suggestion, you may hear a lot of difficulties people try to bring up. examined & remind them they'd examine - 01:15:35
- Task of the muslim isn't to win people away from thr religions - 01:15:45
- Muslim doesn't allow saying, "u shouldn't do that you'ld do this. You'ld believe that & come to islam. That isn't really the muslim's job - 01:15:50
- Muslim doesn't allow saying, "u shouldn't do that you'ld do this. You'ld believe that & come to islam. That isn't really the muslim's job - 01:15:50
- The muslim says, "u which eva religion or belief you've, should be more careful. don't commit excess. don't say more then you've right to say. Because the muslim believes that if a person'll do this, if he makes sure of what he says, eventually'll come to Islam. that's the starting point - 01:16:00
- Qur'an's also often called by the description of "majid" - 01:22:30
- Majid isn't that far from which you mi8 say "amazed". it means "glorious". it's "surprising" - 01:22:35
- Majid isn't that far from which you mi8 say "amazed". it means "glorious". it's "surprising" - 01:22:35
# saffat,12 ('عَجِبْتَ) (they ridicule you. but you are amazed)
- The revelation too's spoken of, in 1ayath it says to the prophet, when it's revealed to you it says "u marveled!", "You're amazed! They ridicule u, but you're amazed" - 01:22:45
- The linguistics is itself today a science. so the surprising aspects of the linguistics are still a scientific thing to point out to people the Arabic. Because the language today's problem for people. Because it hasn't changed in all this centuries. it borrowed a lot of words from some place, but the Arabic is still preserved. do large i suppose to the qur'an but that itself's a problem for the lumps. no other language does that. it evolves in time - 01:23:10
- So that the linguistics's the 2nd thing that i noticed in qur'an that surprised me so much - 01:23:40
- Because I've read the translation probably the worsts translation there is of the Qur'an. but then having discussions with Muslims, they would be talking this & that & they would say, "do you know q qur'an say such & such" & I'ld be so frustrated. i think i remember the translation. i don't remember that. so they show me in the Arabic & i realized that the translation missed this point & that point - 01:23:45
- Because I've read the translation probably the worsts translation there is of the Qur'an. but then having discussions with Muslims, they would be talking this & that & they would say, "do you know q qur'an say such & such" & I'ld be so frustrated. i think i remember the translation. i don't remember that. so they show me in the Arabic & i realized that the translation missed this point & that point - 01:23:45
- So i realized that a way in order in order to get the full meaning you'll at least got to examine the original & so much's missing very often in the translations. some really remarkable things they're virtually - 01:24:10
- Where the wall of dhul qarnayn's? yatrij r the russians? - 01:24:40
- Not specifically unless you loosely mean by russians anybdy who lives north of certain point then it may well be this is yajooj & majuj but derbent's in the soviet union but not in the russian part of soviet union. it is in the south part & in fact there are 2 cities called DERBENT but where you'll find the so called wall of alexander's the description given in the Qur'an. now it's called the alexander's wall because it's used to be believed that alexander the great build it. that not been disproved. alexander didn't have anything to do with that wall. a lot of muslims'll tell u, "Dhul Qarnayn is Alexander the great". it seems very doubtful. history'll not now support that alexander built wall. but it's a description according to Qur'an. DERBENT. probably you'll find in some encyclopedia in Alexander or DERBENT more information about that - 01:24:50
- Where the wall of dhul qarnayn's? yatrij r the russians? - 01:24:40
- Not specifically unless you loosely mean by russians anybdy who lives north of certain point then it may well be this is yajooj & majuj but derbent's in the soviet union but not in the russian part of soviet union. it is in the south part & in fact there are 2 cities called DERBENT but where you'll find the so called wall of alexander's the description given in the Qur'an. now it's called the alexander's wall because it's used to be believed that alexander the great build it. that not been disproved. alexander didn't have anything to do with that wall. a lot of muslims'll tell u, "Dhul Qarnayn is Alexander the great". it seems very doubtful. history'll not now support that alexander built wall. but it's a description according to Qur'an. DERBENT. probably you'll find in some encyclopedia in Alexander or DERBENT more information about that - 01:24:50
- What's the best english translation of the Qur'an? - 01:25:55
- What i usually tell people to do's, "get as many as you can. Because if you don't know the Arabic, @least when you read, compare how the translations'r the same verse & each author translates the verse just just about the same, then the chances your getting most of the meaning outta it. but if They've different translations 4 the same verse, then there must be a difficulty. Then you'ld inquire from some of the knows what's the problem. Why did They've trouble with this Arabic. so you've a lot of translations to compare, you can make some progress this way" - 01:26:00
- What i usually tell people to do's, "get as many as you can. Because if you don't know the Arabic, @least when you read, compare how the translations'r the same verse & each author translates the verse just just about the same, then the chances your getting most of the meaning outta it. but if They've different translations 4 the same verse, then there must be a difficulty. Then you'ld inquire from some of the knows what's the problem. Why did They've trouble with this Arabic. so you've a lot of translations to compare, you can make some progress this way" - 01:26:00
- The nicest reading 1 in english now's probably now by arthur john arberry. Thr is 1done by thomas Ballantyne Irving which's just now coming to print. He spent 25 yrs translating the Qur'an into English. HE SPENT 1 YOU"RE IN 1 WORD - 01:26:40
- One of the worst one's made by david daud where he takes all of the ayath & shuffles them up in different orders in that & there is a very deliberate mistranslation in that book - 01:27:25
- I'll give you an example of the kind of mistakes you'll find. i found even in translations by Muslims. You'll find an ayath in a translation that tells u, "no1 can change the words of Allah" & the same translation'll tell u, "People change the words of Allah". now it sounds like contradiction. it's contradiction because of translator's mistake. if you look in the Arabic, you'll find out that this is 1of these pieces of precision in the Qur'an that whenever the Qur'an talks about words being change, that talks about words being changed, it talks about ... when it talks about no1 changes the words of Allah, it talks about the "Kalimat" - 01:28:00
- One of the worst one's made by david daud where he takes all of the ayath & shuffles them up in different orders in that & there is a very deliberate mistranslation in that book - 01:27:25
- I'll give you an example of the kind of mistakes you'll find. i found even in translations by Muslims. You'll find an ayath in a translation that tells u, "no1 can change the words of Allah" & the same translation'll tell u, "People change the words of Allah". now it sounds like contradiction. it's contradiction because of translator's mistake. if you look in the Arabic, you'll find out that this is 1of these pieces of precision in the Qur'an that whenever the Qur'an talks about words being change, that talks about words being changed, it talks about ... when it talks about no1 changes the words of Allah, it talks about the "Kalimat" - 01:28:00
- A trick that played in Muslims very often. that's a standard missionary trick. Where people'd say, "look Muslims your book says my book's true! so look my book says your book is false". What kind of nonsense?!? - 01:29:15
- The Qur'an talks about other scriptures. it says there is truth in them & it says there is false in them. it says, "The Qur'an will show you the difference between them". That doesn't mean that if the Qur'an says it that there book says this, "The Qur'an must be right". that isn't the attitude. the Qur'an tell u, "the truth's obvious that this is correct can be shown because of what is in there book". that's the difficulties can be demonstrated. it isn't just a case of saying, "My book's true, your book's false" - 01:29:30
# Ma'idah,48 - 01:30:10
- In fact d1 verse that's used, they write the missionary books in it, it's in the 5th surah, 48th ayath, where it says, "it was revealed to confirm the truth in previous books". & this is where people stops. & they say, "hey Muslims, your book says my book's true. they stop half way to he sentence. The rest of the verse says, "& quality control over this books". tells you which parts'r true which part are not. how you pick up the difference between which parts'r true & which parts are not - 01:30:05
- More important then that's that whatever the shape of there scriptures's today, whether it contains truth or false, very often that isn't under discussion when the Qur'an is talking about there scriptures. it tells them, "Look in your book & you'll find this. whether your book's truth or false, leave that aside for now" in your book it says that. so it points out to people there are own difficulties - 01:30:40
- This follows in the best tradition of jesus - 01:31:15
$ John, 5:39 (study, think, lyf, testify)
- 5th chapter of john, he criticized the Jews. he said, "You people read the scriptures all the time because you think in there is the secret of lyf". He didn't say, "& your right". he didn't say that. he said, "But I'm telling u, if you're more careful about what you're reading, you'll notice that this scriptures tell you about me. you would be listening to me" - 01:31:20
$ John, 5:39 (study, think, lyf, testify)
- 5th chapter of john, he criticized the Jews. he said, "You people read the scriptures all the time because you think in there is the secret of lyf". He didn't say, "& your right". he didn't say that. he said, "But I'm telling u, if you're more careful about what you're reading, you'll notice that this scriptures tell you about me. you would be listening to me" - 01:31:20
- That's basically what the Qur'an has said of other scriptures. leaving a sign, is it true or is it false's to tell'm, "look in their scriptures & they'll find the last messenger's mentioned. the last revelation is mentioned". But it's true or false's thir problem. but they do've this one that they can't escape - 01:31:40
- Challenge's made & a non-muslim has reacted very well & he said that he've the ayath that says that, "messenger's mentioned by name in thir scriptures". he's speaking the Jews & Christians & he points out how there is lots of Jews & Christians around there heard that when the revelation is given. They've perfect chance to prove the Qur'an wrong. They could've jumpt at right then & say, "ok. Come with me to my house. I've no way to get off, go ahead of u. Come with me to my house, you're welcome to look @ all my books. You won't find anything about your messenger" - 01:32:00
- Nobody did that. nobody invited the Muslims & say, "o this time your book made a mistake. See there is nothing in our book about messenger. Come & c!" - 01:32:35
- Nobody did that. They won't talk about it. That's why 1 non-muslim scholar has suggested that the Christians & Jews @ that time @ that place must've had something very obvious in what they call scripture that mentioned the messenger. so they kept silent @ that point - 01:32:45
* BEAUTIFUL WOMEN IN HEAVEN AS A REWARD TO MEN = sexist & animal instinct - 01:33:10
# Naba,33
# Waqi'ah,35-37
* SEXIST: They'd look more carefully about in fact that's the usual understanding that if you look at all the verses related to that, IT TALKS AOUBT COMPANIONS FOR PEOPLE. DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY PUT ALL THE BELIEVERS IN PARADISE ARE MEN WHO HAVE BEAUTIFUL WOMEN. talks about COMPANIONS suitably chosen for all believers. These are their rewards. So that's usually the picture that people draw without realizing that it's much more general explanation of that to put place - 01:33:35
- Beyond that, the reason that that looks animalistic to people reflex that is the basic difference between Islam & many other religions outlooks - 01:34:10
- Most religions tell u, "The world's evil. it's out to trap people & so'n. it's a bad place you've to escape the world" - 01:34:25
* BEAUTIFUL WOMEN IN HEAVEN AS A REWARD TO MEN = sexist & animal instinct - 01:33:10
# Naba,33
# Waqi'ah,35-37
* SEXIST: They'd look more carefully about in fact that's the usual understanding that if you look at all the verses related to that, IT TALKS AOUBT COMPANIONS FOR PEOPLE. DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY PUT ALL THE BELIEVERS IN PARADISE ARE MEN WHO HAVE BEAUTIFUL WOMEN. talks about COMPANIONS suitably chosen for all believers. These are their rewards. So that's usually the picture that people draw without realizing that it's much more general explanation of that to put place - 01:33:35- Beyond that, the reason that that looks animalistic to people reflex that is the basic difference between Islam & many other religions outlooks - 01:34:10
- Most religions tell u, "The world's evil. it's out to trap people & so'n. it's a bad place you've to escape the world" - 01:34:25
- Islam doesn't say that - 01:34:35
- It tells u, "The world. god made it. it's good. There are bad things in it. things that'll hurt u. he made that too. but the world itself isn't evil" - 01:34:40
- So that's the muslim attitude's different. what he knows & recognizes as a good thing here, it's something like what'll be a good thing there. I'll give you a clear example. The Qur'an says, "in paradise you can eat a piece of fruit" & it says, "When you eat it you'ld say, 'This reminds me of what i used to eat'" - 01:34:50
- It tells u, "The world. god made it. it's good. There are bad things in it. things that'll hurt u. he made that too. but the world itself isn't evil" - 01:34:40
- So that's the muslim attitude's different. what he knows & recognizes as a good thing here, it's something like what'll be a good thing there. I'll give you a clear example. The Qur'an says, "in paradise you can eat a piece of fruit" & it says, "When you eat it you'ld say, 'This reminds me of what i used to eat'" - 01:34:50
- It's obviously so much better - 01:35:10
- SO WHAT YOUR'RE FAMILIAR WITH NOW'S SOMETHING LIKE WHAT YOU'LD GET THEN - 01:35:15
- Whether it's FRUIT or COMPANIONSHIP or ... - 01:35:20
- You know something about what that's like. that's how paradise's formed - 01:35:25
- That's basic difference between Muslims & others. that primarily MOST RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS ENCOURAGE THE IDEA THAT "YOUR MEANS & YOUR AIMS'R DIFFERENT. WHAT YOU WANT CAN BE DIFFERENT THEN HOW YOU GET IT. THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS" - 01:35:30
- SO WHAT YOUR'RE FAMILIAR WITH NOW'S SOMETHING LIKE WHAT YOU'LD GET THEN - 01:35:15
- Whether it's FRUIT or COMPANIONSHIP or ... - 01:35:20
- You know something about what that's like. that's how paradise's formed - 01:35:25
- That's basic difference between Muslims & others. that primarily MOST RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS ENCOURAGE THE IDEA THAT "YOUR MEANS & YOUR AIMS'R DIFFERENT. WHAT YOU WANT CAN BE DIFFERENT THEN HOW YOU GET IT. THE END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS" - 01:35:30
- They'll tell u, "YOU WANT JUSTICE? WELL, YOU'VE TO TREAT SOME PEOPLE UNFAIRLY 4A WHILE, THEN YOU'LL GET JUSTICE" - 01:35:50
- The Muslims say, "no! You want justice? You practice justice!" - 01:35:55
- "You want truth? You tell the truth!". You DON'T tell a few lies UNTIL THE truth COMES THEN you TELL the truth!" - 01:36:00
- THE GOAL & THE METHODS'R THE SAME KIND OF THING - 01:36:05
- So, if you want to establish the truth, you speak the truth & you'll get a reward like that - 01:36:10
- So, if you want to establish the truth, you speak the truth & you'll get a reward like that - 01:36:10
- One of the rewards of the paradise's it says, "You won't hear anybody talking nonsense in that place" - 01:36:20
# naba,35
- If that what you want, A REWARD TO BE IN A PLACE WHERE NOBODY TALK SILLY, THEN YOU'VE TO NOW PUT A STOP TO SILLY TALK - 01:36:25
# naba,35
- If that what you want, A REWARD TO BE IN A PLACE WHERE NOBODY TALK SILLY, THEN YOU'VE TO NOW PUT A STOP TO SILLY TALK - 01:36:25
# al-'asr,3
- That's why in the surah al-'asr, 1 of the 4 things. the difference between this who'r lost & this who've success, "They confront one another with the truth" - 01:36:40
- It means the Muslims couldn't be sitting in here somebody talking here & that's foolishness - 01:36:50
- He has in obligation to somehow bring there attention to the truth that matter - 01:36:55
- He has in obligation to somehow bring there attention to the truth that matter - 01:36:55
- In some way @ least to say, "I know what you said, it isn't true. but excuse me do you want 1more? Come & see me" - 01:37:00
- But you've to say something. then you'll get a place like that - 01:37:05
- COMPANIONS: that's metaphorical. i mean the SAME SENSE as the FRUIT's you c? - 01:37:15
# baqarah,25 (fruit)
- If the Qur'an says, "eat a piece of fruit" & it's telling u, "When you eat it, you'ld say this is something like what i used to eate" - 01:37:25
- What it MEANS that it MUST BE DIFFERENT. so it ISN'T exactly fruit LIKE we KNOW fruit but in a way that's familiar to us, it's something like fruit - 01:37:30
- But not saying as companions. You mi8 say metaphorically in that, "IT'LD BE COMPANIONSHIP & IT'LD REMIND US ABOUT WHAT GOOD COMPANIONSHIP'S LIKE" - 01:37:40
- Then again IT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T IMAGINE. it's SO MUCH BETTER than that - 01:37:50
- PARADISE'S FAMILIAR BUT BETTER THAN YOU CAN EXPECT - 01:37:55
* ABROGATED VERSES - 01:38:20
- This means that, "Some verses'r over ruled by other verses. that's a verse say this but other verse tells us that isn't true anymore" - 01:38:25
- THERE IS NO SUCH PAIR OF VERSES IN THE QUR'AN! IMPOSSIBLE! - 01:38:35
- THE QUR'AN SAYS IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONTRADICTION SO HOW CAN THERE BE 1 VERSE IT TELLS YOU SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN ANOTHER VERSE? - 01:38:38
- But not saying as companions. You mi8 say metaphorically in that, "IT'LD BE COMPANIONSHIP & IT'LD REMIND US ABOUT WHAT GOOD COMPANIONSHIP'S LIKE" - 01:37:40
- Then again IT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T IMAGINE. it's SO MUCH BETTER than that - 01:37:50
- PARADISE'S FAMILIAR BUT BETTER THAN YOU CAN EXPECT - 01:37:55
* ABROGATED VERSES - 01:38:20- This means that, "Some verses'r over ruled by other verses. that's a verse say this but other verse tells us that isn't true anymore" - 01:38:25
- THERE IS NO SUCH PAIR OF VERSES IN THE QUR'AN! IMPOSSIBLE! - 01:38:35
- THE QUR'AN SAYS IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY CONTRADICTION SO HOW CAN THERE BE 1 VERSE IT TELLS YOU SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN ANOTHER VERSE? - 01:38:38
# nisa,82 (inconsistencies)
- The Ayath says, "if it come from other than Allah, surely you'll find in it, اِخْتِلَافًا كَثِيرًا, many inconsistencies" - 01:38:45
- So there are no. THERE IS NO INCONSISTENCY - 01:38:50
- The misunderstanding often comes for example some of them say, "can you show me abrogated verse? they say this1 it says, 'don't pray if you've been drinking'. but this ayath says 'don't drink'" - 01:38:50
- The misunderstanding often comes for example some of them say, "can you show me abrogated verse? they say this1 it says, 'don't pray if you've been drinking'. but this ayath says 'don't drink'" - 01:38:50
# nisa, 43 (don't pray, drinking)
# ma'idah, 90 (don't drink)
- IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DIFFERENT THINGS! THIS 1 ISN'T DIFFERENT FROM THAT 1" - 01:39:05
- To say, "don't pray when you've been drinking" isn't erased by a verse which says, "don't drink" - 01:39:10
- example of misunderstanding: people say, "The Qur'an says, don't take a second wife unless you can treat them equally" - 01:39:45
# Nisa,3
- But they say in these verse it say, "You can take 4". so it's a contradiction - 01:39:55
- IT ISN'T A CONTRADICTION. 1'S A QUALIFICATION & THE OTHER 1'S A LIMITATION. IT'S CALLED A COUNTER DISTINCTION - 01:40:00
- That isn't in conflict saying, "don't have more than 1 wife if you can't treat them equally isn't the opposite of saying, don't take more than 4!" - 01:40:05
- There is NO such thing as an ABROGATED VERSE if the abrogation means, "This verse tells you this 1 isn't true anymore". THERE IS NO SUCH VERSE LIKE THAT. THRE ARE VERSES WHICH SWALLOW UP OTHER VERSES BUT THEY DON'T CONTRADICT THEM - 01:40:25
- If somebody wants to find a contradiction in the Qur'an he's welcome to even examine the so called abrogated verses & you won't find contradiction - 01:40:40
- Missionary, "the Qur'an abrogates other verses so it must contain contradictions" - 01:41:00
- But they don't seem to realize that, ANY VERSE THAT ANYBODY EVER TALKED ABOUT INVOLVING ABROGATION'S RELATED TO LEGAL MATTERS & YET THE AYATH IN THE QUR'AN THAT TALKS ABOUT ABROGATION'S A MAKKAN AYATH WHERE AS THE LAWS DIDN'T COME TILL MADINA. SO WHAT BEING TALKED ABOUT THAT SOME AYATH'S REPLACES BY ANOTHER AYATH CAN'T MEAN AYATH OF THE QUR'AN IT HAS TO MEAN PREVIOUS AYATH. THAT MEANS OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEFORE THE QUR'AN - 01:41:05
* authenticity of the Qur'an - 01:41:40
- You've to eliminated the possibilities. if somebody says, "Your book isn't a revelation" then you've to ask them, "Tell me what's it? What's it theen?". if he says, "it's a lie", you say, "show me a lie! where does it tell a lie?". if he says, "Your prophet's a lunatic", you say, "show me a crazy thing. if he's a lunatic than how do you explain his information? if he's a liar, how do you explain his attitude?" - 01:42:05
- But they don't seem to realize that, ANY VERSE THAT ANYBODY EVER TALKED ABOUT INVOLVING ABROGATION'S RELATED TO LEGAL MATTERS & YET THE AYATH IN THE QUR'AN THAT TALKS ABOUT ABROGATION'S A MAKKAN AYATH WHERE AS THE LAWS DIDN'T COME TILL MADINA. SO WHAT BEING TALKED ABOUT THAT SOME AYATH'S REPLACES BY ANOTHER AYATH CAN'T MEAN AYATH OF THE QUR'AN IT HAS TO MEAN PREVIOUS AYATH. THAT MEANS OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEFORE THE QUR'AN - 01:41:05
* authenticity of the Qur'an - 01:41:40- You've to eliminated the possibilities. if somebody says, "Your book isn't a revelation" then you've to ask them, "Tell me what's it? What's it theen?". if he says, "it's a lie", you say, "show me a lie! where does it tell a lie?". if he says, "Your prophet's a lunatic", you say, "show me a crazy thing. if he's a lunatic than how do you explain his information? if he's a liar, how do you explain his attitude?" - 01:42:05
- You gotta give it back to somebody to say, "if you claim that he's this thEn you've to prove me that. i can show you why it can't be that" - 01:42:35
- SO YOU ESTABLISH IT BY ELIMINATING THE ALTERNATIVES - 01:42:40
* Qur'an about future
- hadith, "The wonders of this book never cease" - 01:42:40
- Meaning that, "in every generation there are new surprises" - 01:43:05
- History may continue fr 10 thousand yrs & there shall still be Muslims saying, "i've never noticed that before. that's amazing!" - 01:43:10
- Something new in another generation - 01:43:20
# naml,82
- دَابَّتً - 01:43:40
- دَابَّتً means any kinda animal that crawls. it tells you دَابَّتً lives in the heavens & on earth - 01:43:45
* Qur'an about future- hadith, "The wonders of this book never cease" - 01:42:40
- Meaning that, "in every generation there are new surprises" - 01:43:05
- History may continue fr 10 thousand yrs & there shall still be Muslims saying, "i've never noticed that before. that's amazing!" - 01:43:10
- Something new in another generation - 01:43:20
# naml,82
- دَابَّتً - 01:43:40
- دَابَّتً means any kinda animal that crawls. it tells you دَابَّتً lives in the heavens & on earth - 01:43:45
- It mentions that, "دَابَّتً, in the heavens & the earth & the places in between them" - 01:44:00
- So as far as you see from where you're & all the places between there is دَابَّتً - 01:44:05
- So as far as you see from where you're & all the places between there is دَابَّتً - 01:44:05
- No1 found1 yet but that's the thing that when is found the Muslims can say, "i knOw it! it must be true! The Qur'an said so". an example of that kinda thing - 01:44:10
- The early muslim astronomers, mathematics, biologists, medical men, chemist & some see some little thing in the Qur'an that looks interesting, "What will I find if I look?" & they found lot of surprising things - 01:45:10
* Messiah being killed by the Jew.
- The Jews said, "We killed the messiah" - 01:46:00
# nisa,157
- The Qur'an goes in to say, "They're mistaken. They didn't kill them. that's what it looked like" - 01:46:05
- The early muslim astronomers, mathematics, biologists, medical men, chemist & some see some little thing in the Qur'an that looks interesting, "What will I find if I look?" & they found lot of surprising things - 01:45:10
* Messiah being killed by the Jew.
- The Jews said, "We killed the messiah" - 01:46:00
# nisa,157
- The Qur'an goes in to say, "They're mistaken. They didn't kill them. that's what it looked like" - 01:46:05
- It doesn't specifically say in the Qur'an that somebody was substituted - 01:46:10
- It simply says, "doubtful" - 01:46:15
- So, they maybe killed the wrong man, maybe they killed nobody. but what we know that they didn't kill the messiah - 01:46:40
* Surah which inspired me most
- 1 of the 1st things that occurred to me Is that, I mentioned this Ayath that challenges you to find mistakes in the Qur'an that's the surah al-hadid begins by saying in the 3rd ayath, "no matter where you start, there is something you can't escape. something there is which's 1st, last, outermost, innermost" - 01:47:05
- It simply says, "doubtful" - 01:46:15
- So, they maybe killed the wrong man, maybe they killed nobody. but what we know that they didn't kill the messiah - 01:46:40
* Surah which inspired me most
- 1 of the 1st things that occurred to me Is that, I mentioned this Ayath that challenges you to find mistakes in the Qur'an that's the surah al-hadid begins by saying in the 3rd ayath, "no matter where you start, there is something you can't escape. something there is which's 1st, last, outermost, innermost" - 01:47:05
# hadid,3
- & looking at this this is where you find God - 01:47:30
- & looking at this this is where you find God - 01:47:30
- & of course this surah al-ikhlas, just in few words there is a wealth of materials there - 01:47:35
- Somebody asked the prophet 1 time, "where do God come from?" - 01:47:45
- He didn't say as most Muslims say today, "ohh! this's a shaitan's question" - 01:47:50
- He quoted that surah. it gives @ least 4 answers that each ayath gives you an answer. that's impressive to me - 01:48:00
- Somebody asked the prophet 1 time, "where do God come from?" - 01:47:45
- He didn't say as most Muslims say today, "ohh! this's a shaitan's question" - 01:47:50
- He quoted that surah. it gives @ least 4 answers that each ayath gives you an answer. that's impressive to me - 01:48:00
* word "holly"
- The world "holly" is really, that's a troublesome word in english. i don't use it Tp talk about the Qur'an because it's inappropriate in english technically - 01:51:45
- The word "HOLLY" comes from the same root as "WHOLE" - 01:52:00
- SO PEOPLE AREN'T "WHOLLY" ONLY1'S "WHOLLY"! THERE IS ONLY 1 WHO'S "WHOLLY"! HE'S ALLAH! THE ONE!!! - 01:52:08
- That's the original understanding even English. the word "holy" it only applies that you say, "God is 'holy' because he is 1 'whole' thing. nobody else's 1 like that'. but it's falling in to such careless use that people got "holy men" & "holy this" & "holy that" - 01:52:15
- That's unfortunate - 01:52:30
- Even the Arabic word "اَلْمَقْدُسْ" is sometimes translated, "Holy" - 01:52:35
- That isn't really the best english word for that because of misunderstanding - 01:52:39
- Even the Arabic word "اَلْمَقْدُسْ" is sometimes translated, "Holy" - 01:52:35
- That isn't really the best english word for that because of misunderstanding - 01:52:39
- ONLY ALLAH'S HOLY - 01:52:46
- THE QUR'AN MAYBE "KARIM" & "MAJID" & SOME OTHR DESCRIPTIONS LIKE THIS. BUT NOT "HOLY" IN PROPER MEANING OF THAT WORD - 01:52:48
* comparison between Muslims & Christians in approaches
- The Muslims have a different approach just to give a comparison of what they're familiar /w Christianity - 01:53:25
- The Christians says, "GOD REVEALED HIMSELF TO US" - 01:53:35
- The Muslims says, "GOD CAN'T REVEAL HIMSELF MAN! CAN'T ABSORB THIS! BUT HE REVEALED HIS WILL! HE REVEALED WHAT HE WANTS YOU TO WANT - 01:53:40
- THE SPEECH OF ALLAH'S WHAT HE WANTS U2 KNOW ISN'T ALLAH - 01:53:50
- You can't describe it that way - 01:54:00
- Usually when the muslim & the Christian use there word revelation they talks about different things. it happens so many times. somebody says, "WHAT'S GOD REVEALED TO YOU?" - 01:54:05
- I say, "HE TOLD ME WHAT HE WANTED ME TO KNOW" - 01:54:15
- He says, "NO! NO! NO! WHAT DID HE REVEEAAALLEED?" - 01:54:18
- NOW HE'S TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE - 01:54:20
- IT MEANS SOMETHING YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN - 01:54:24
- BECUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY MEAN BY REVELATION - 01:54:30
- That isn't really the conception of Qur'an - 01:54:33
- تَنْزِلْ is information given to you- 01:54:35
- But that's maybe not you want going for in argument that's old of thousand yrs ago - 01:54:40
- People argue about Qur'an created or uncreated already backed in a long time - 01:54:45
* is Qur'an complete- the Qur'an says many times that it's that it's complete - 01:56:50
- You'll find that in the 6th surah, 112 & 113 ayath. it says, "There is nothing that - 01:56:55
- I remembered talkin within Egyptian brother 1 time & i mentioned this ayath & he says, "That isn't true!" - 01:57:05
- Yo need this & u
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- 01:57:10
- MUSLIMS WOULD FALL IN TO THE SAME TRAP THAT SOME RELIGIOUS GROUPS FALL IN TO. THAT'S THEY BELIEVE IN THEIR BOOK & THEY BECOMES SO RAPPED UP IN THIS BOOK, THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHIN ELSE! - 01:57:30
- THE QUR'AN MAYBE "KARIM" & "MAJID" & SOME OTHR DESCRIPTIONS LIKE THIS. BUT NOT "HOLY" IN PROPER MEANING OF THAT WORD - 01:52:48
* comparison between Muslims & Christians in approaches- The Muslims have a different approach just to give a comparison of what they're familiar /w Christianity - 01:53:25
- The Christians says, "GOD REVEALED HIMSELF TO US" - 01:53:35
- The Muslims says, "GOD CAN'T REVEAL HIMSELF MAN! CAN'T ABSORB THIS! BUT HE REVEALED HIS WILL! HE REVEALED WHAT HE WANTS YOU TO WANT - 01:53:40
- THE SPEECH OF ALLAH'S WHAT HE WANTS U2 KNOW ISN'T ALLAH - 01:53:50
- You can't describe it that way - 01:54:00
- Usually when the muslim & the Christian use there word revelation they talks about different things. it happens so many times. somebody says, "WHAT'S GOD REVEALED TO YOU?" - 01:54:05
- I say, "HE TOLD ME WHAT HE WANTED ME TO KNOW" - 01:54:15
- He says, "NO! NO! NO! WHAT DID HE REVEEAAALLEED?" - 01:54:18
- NOW HE'S TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE - 01:54:20
- IT MEANS SOMETHING YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN - 01:54:24
- BECUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY MEAN BY REVELATION - 01:54:30
- That isn't really the conception of Qur'an - 01:54:33
- تَنْزِلْ is information given to you- 01:54:35
- But that's maybe not you want going for in argument that's old of thousand yrs ago - 01:54:40
- People argue about Qur'an created or uncreated already backed in a long time - 01:54:45
* is Qur'an complete- the Qur'an says many times that it's that it's complete - 01:56:50
- You'll find that in the 6th surah, 112 & 113 ayath. it says, "There is nothing that - 01:56:55
- I remembered talkin within Egyptian brother 1 time & i mentioned this ayath & he says, "That isn't true!" - 01:57:05
- Yo need this & u
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- 01:57:10
- MUSLIMS WOULD FALL IN TO THE SAME TRAP THAT SOME RELIGIOUS GROUPS FALL IN TO. THAT'S THEY BELIEVE IN THEIR BOOK & THEY BECOMES SO RAPPED UP IN THIS BOOK, THEY DON'T KNOW ANYTHIN ELSE! - 01:57:30
- The Qur'an isn't of that nature - 01:57:45
- THE QUR'AN TELLS YOU WHAT YOU NEED'S HERE, IT LACKS NOTHING. WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU TO DO? TIME & TIME AGAIN. IT SAYS, "LOOK HERE! LOOK THERE! IF YOU DOUBT THAT THIS TRUE, LOOK THIR, YOU'LL SEE IT! VARIFY IT! EXAMINE THAT! RESEARCH THIS! FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THAT! - 01:57:50
- THE QUR'AN TELLS YOU WHAT YOU NEED'S HERE, IT LACKS NOTHING. WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU TO DO? TIME & TIME AGAIN. IT SAYS, "LOOK HERE! LOOK THERE! IF YOU DOUBT THAT THIS TRUE, LOOK THIR, YOU'LL SEE IT! VARIFY IT! EXAMINE THAT! RESEARCH THIS! FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THAT! - 01:57:50
- So it keeps directing your attention to... - 01:58:05
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