- The Qur'an doesn't appear to be what they'd except - 02:55
- They except that th book'd (1400yrs) look like in old book from the desert - 03:05
- if u've a book as old & c'm from a desert, it'd talk about the desert & it does. BUT IT ALSO TAKLS ABOUT D SEAS. WHAT'S LYK TO BE IN THE SEA. WHAT'S LYK TO BE IN A STORM'N A SEA - 03:30
- They except that th book'd (1400yrs) look like in old book from the desert - 03:05
- if u've a book as old & c'm from a desert, it'd talk about the desert & it does. BUT IT ALSO TAKLS ABOUT D SEAS. WHAT'S LYK TO BE IN THE SEA. WHAT'S LYK TO BE IN A STORM'N A SEA - 03:30
- story of a sailor, "this muhammad (s.a.w.) was he a sailor?" - 04:10
- he embraced islam'n d spot - 04:30
# nur,40 (waves, within waves & darkness between'em) - 04:40
- it isn't what s'mbody imagines a storm's lyk'n d ocean. it's what s'mbody knws what a strom's lyk'n d ocean - 04:45
- theory of atomism - 05:30
# saba,3 & yunus,61 (atom or nythn smaller thn an atom) - 06:35
- historical sources, "d prophet of islam's very concerned w/ health & hygiene" - 07:15
- so u'ld think that if u've a book which originates'n his head, it'ld talk about medicine - 07:30
- he embraced islam'n d spot - 04:30
# nur,40 (waves, within waves & darkness between'em) - 04:40
- it isn't what s'mbody imagines a storm's lyk'n d ocean. it's what s'mbody knws what a strom's lyk'n d ocean - 04:45
- theory of atomism - 05:30
# saba,3 & yunus,61 (atom or nythn smaller thn an atom) - 06:35
- historical sources, "d prophet of islam's very concerned w/ health & hygiene" - 07:15
- so u'ld think that if u've a book which originates'n his head, it'ld talk about medicine - 07:30
- histoty reports that he'd a lot of opnions'n this subject. he'd a lot of ideas about, "if this's ur disease thn this might b ur cure". he'd a lotta opinions that way - 07:45
- BUT, non of'em r'n the Qur'an. THR'S NO HOME REMEDIES'N THE QUR'AN - 07:55
- in fact the Qur'an only mentions about 1 item which's not disputed by nybody - 08:05
# nahl,69 (honey=healing) - 08:10
- but it doesn't contain of d man's opinion about what's beneficial, what's d best food 2eat or what's healthiest 4u, what'll cure this or that disease - 08:20
- encyclopedia, "qur'an's d product of d hallucinations that this man'd" - 08:55
- he'd a very difficult lyk. he'd 3 sons who died as infant all his daughters except 1 died before them. he'd a wife 4 several yrs who must've been quite a woman. whn d 1st revolution came 2'em, he ran home 2his wife, afraid - 09:05
- evn today, u'll hv hard tym finding an arab who'll tell u, "i's so afraid, i ran home 2my wife" - 09:50
- but that's how influential & strong a woman she apparently's. she died - 10:00
- does the Qur'an mentions ny of this things? d death of his children? his wife? NEVER! - 10:05
- thr must've been things that hurt'em & tortured'em, caused'em pain & grief, through his whole lyf, they neva show up'n this book which's supposed 2've originated'n his tortured mind - 10:15
- THE QUR'AN CONTAINS WHAT U DON'T EXPECT IT 2CONTAIN & IT'S MISSING WHAT U MIGHT EXCEPT'LD B THR - 10:30
- a really scientific approach to the Qur'an's possible bcz the Qur'an offers s'mnthn that isn't offered by religious scriptures. religions don't offer this. it's what d science & scientist demands - 10:40
- one demand of scientific community,
- BUT, non of'em r'n the Qur'an. THR'S NO HOME REMEDIES'N THE QUR'AN - 07:55
- in fact the Qur'an only mentions about 1 item which's not disputed by nybody - 08:05
# nahl,69 (honey=healing) - 08:10
- but it doesn't contain of d man's opinion about what's beneficial, what's d best food 2eat or what's healthiest 4u, what'll cure this or that disease - 08:20
- encyclopedia, "qur'an's d product of d hallucinations that this man'd" - 08:55
- he'd a very difficult lyk. he'd 3 sons who died as infant all his daughters except 1 died before them. he'd a wife 4 several yrs who must've been quite a woman. whn d 1st revolution came 2'em, he ran home 2his wife, afraid - 09:05
- evn today, u'll hv hard tym finding an arab who'll tell u, "i's so afraid, i ran home 2my wife" - 09:50
- but that's how influential & strong a woman she apparently's. she died - 10:00
- does the Qur'an mentions ny of this things? d death of his children? his wife? NEVER! - 10:05
- thr must've been things that hurt'em & tortured'em, caused'em pain & grief, through his whole lyf, they neva show up'n this book which's supposed 2've originated'n his tortured mind - 10:15
- THE QUR'AN CONTAINS WHAT U DON'T EXPECT IT 2CONTAIN & IT'S MISSING WHAT U MIGHT EXCEPT'LD B THR - 10:30
- a really scientific approach to the Qur'an's possible bcz the Qur'an offers s'mnthn that isn't offered by religious scriptures. religions don't offer this. it's what d science & scientist demands - 10:40
- one demand of scientific community,
"IF U'VE A THEORY, DON'T BOTHER ME WID IT UNLESS U BRING WID THAT THEORY A WAY TO PROVE THAT U'R WRONG. A TEST OF FALSIFICATION. OTHERWISE, DON'T BOTHER ME" - 11:35- that's y d scientific community listened2 einstein, "i think d universe works lyk this & here'r 3 ways 2prove that i'm wrong" - 11:50
- that's what the Qur'an has. FALSIFICATION TESTS - 12:25
- it makes statements saying, "if this book is not what it claims to be than all u've to do is this or this or this 2prove that it's false" - 12:30
- it offers falsification - 12:45
- i suggest 2u maybe d next hand u get'n2 s'm kinda dispute wid it. s'm about islam & he's claiming he has d truth, u r'n d darkness, that mi8 b d 1st thing that u sugggest 2tell'em, "is thr s'mthn'n ur religion which if i could show it 2u which prove that u'r wrong? is thr nythn?" - 12:45
- BCZ I CAN PROMISE U, PEOPLE DON'T HVE NYTHN - 13:05
- i suggest 2u maybe d next hand u get'n2 s'm kinda dispute wid it. s'm about islam & he's claiming he has d truth, u r'n d darkness, that mi8 b d 1st thing that u sugggest 2tell'em, "is thr s'mthn'n ur religion which if i could show it 2u which prove that u'r wrong? is thr nythn?" - 12:45
- BCZ I CAN PROMISE U, PEOPLE DON'T HVE NYTHN - 13:05
- THEY DON'T CARRY AROUND THAT IDEA THAT I SHOULDN'T ONLY PRESENT WHAT I BELIVE, WHAT I OFFER A MAN A CHANCE 2 PROVE ME WRONG. but islam does that - 13:10
# nisa,82 (inconsistencies) - 13:35
- That's a challenge to the unbelievers. saying to the unbelievers, "u say that this book isn't a revolution. Then of course u'll show me a mistake'n d book, won't u?" - 13:50
# nisa,82 (inconsistencies) - 13:35
- That's a challenge to the unbelievers. saying to the unbelievers, "u say that this book isn't a revolution. Then of course u'll show me a mistake'n d book, won't u?" - 13:50
- that isn't really even a human nature 2write lyk that - 14:05
- we don't take an exam'n school & whn we finish d exam we write a note to the teacher saying, "This exam's perfect. thr'r no mistakes'n it. find 1 if u can". d teacher won't sleep until he finds a mistake - 14:10
- that's d way qur'an has c'm. it says, "This's true. if fact if u don't think it's true thn all u've to do's show me consistencies whr it says this whr it says that & it contradicts itself. it'ld contain many of this things. shouldn't it? so find one" - 14:25
- advice to the reader: it tells d reader about different facts & thn if give an advice saying, "if u wanna knw about this or if u doubt what it says here, thn ask d man who knws (scientists)" - 15:00
# nahl,43 & anbya,7 (Ask the people who know) - 15:15
- u luk to the muslims scientists so many centuries ago, u'll find that thr works'r full of quotations from the Qur'an - 16:00
- They'll tell u that they research'n such & such a place, they looked fr s'mthn & They'll tell u, "d reason i looked thr fr this things bcz the Qur'an says such & so'n. they said that this's a good place 2look. it pointed me2 this direction & hence i found this" - 16:10
- we don't take an exam'n school & whn we finish d exam we write a note to the teacher saying, "This exam's perfect. thr'r no mistakes'n it. find 1 if u can". d teacher won't sleep until he finds a mistake - 14:10
- that's d way qur'an has c'm. it says, "This's true. if fact if u don't think it's true thn all u've to do's show me consistencies whr it says this whr it says that & it contradicts itself. it'ld contain many of this things. shouldn't it? so find one" - 14:25
- advice to the reader: it tells d reader about different facts & thn if give an advice saying, "if u wanna knw about this or if u doubt what it says here, thn ask d man who knws (scientists)" - 15:00
# nahl,43 & anbya,7 (Ask the people who know) - 15:15
- u luk to the muslims scientists so many centuries ago, u'll find that thr works'r full of quotations from the Qur'an - 16:00
- They'll tell u that they research'n such & such a place, they looked fr s'mthn & They'll tell u, "d reason i looked thr fr this things bcz the Qur'an says such & so'n. they said that this's a good place 2look. it pointed me2 this direction & hence i found this" - 16:10
- origin of man - 16:30
- says whr man c'ms from thn it says to the reader, "research it!" - 16:35
- grp of brothers'n riyadh, in saudia arabia, collected all of d verses from qur'an that talk about d growth of d human being, embryology. They took d advice of the Qur'an, "ask d man who knws". so they wanted 2find out. They chose a person, a man who's a professor of embryology @d university of toronto, not a muslim. name's keith moore. he's d author of text books'n embryology. he knws. he's a world expert'n embryology. They invited'em 2riyadh & said, "This's what the Qur'an says about ur subject, is it true?" - 16:55
- he's so surprised of what he found that
- says whr man c'ms from thn it says to the reader, "research it!" - 16:35
- grp of brothers'n riyadh, in saudia arabia, collected all of d verses from qur'an that talk about d growth of d human being, embryology. They took d advice of the Qur'an, "ask d man who knws". so they wanted 2find out. They chose a person, a man who's a professor of embryology @d university of toronto, not a muslim. name's keith moore. he's d author of text books'n embryology. he knws. he's a world expert'n embryology. They invited'em 2riyadh & said, "This's what the Qur'an says about ur subject, is it true?" - 16:55
- he's so surprised of what he found that
he changed his textbook (before we're born, 2nd edition) - 17:55
- keith moore, "in fact s'm of d things that the Qur'an said about d growth of d human being weren't knwn until 30 yrs ago" - 18:40
- in fact 1item he said's new 2'em so he checked'n, this's true. so he added'n2 his book - 18:50
# haj,5
# mu'minun,14
# ghafir,67
# qiyamah,38
# 'alaq,2 (leech lyk clot) - 19:10
- he said, "i neva thought about it before". but he went to the zoology department & ask 4pic of a leech & it looks lyk d embryo. so he put both pictures'n his textbooks (clinical embryology) - 19:15
- keith moore, "in fact s'm of d things that the Qur'an said about d growth of d human being weren't knwn until 30 yrs ago" - 18:40
- in fact 1item he said's new 2'em so he checked'n, this's true. so he added'n2 his book - 18:50
# haj,5
# mu'minun,14
# qiyamah,38
# 'alaq,2 (leech lyk clot) - 19:10
- he said, "i neva thought about it before". but he went to the zoology department & ask 4pic of a leech & it looks lyk d embryo. so he put both pictures'n his textbooks (clinical embryology) - 19:15
- published'n newspaper wid s'm funny headlines - 19:40
- headline'n d newspaper, "surprising thn found'n d ancient prayer book" - 19:50
- newspaper reporter, "don't u think that maybe d arabs might've knwn about this thngs? d description of d embryo, it's appearance & how it changes & grows? maybe bcz they'r scientists maybe they did s'm crude dissections?" - 20:00
- professor, "d man has missed a very important point'n all of d discussions. all d slides that he projected fr us, all pictures that he showed us of d embryo're taken through a microscope. it doesn't matter if s'mbody used2 try do discover embryology 1400 ago, they couldn't see it" - 20:25
- microscope has only been around fr more thn 200yrs - 20:50
- reporter, "if u believe maybe 1400 ago s'mbody had a microscope & he did this research & they made no mistakes & thn they s'mhw taught this man to put it'n his book saying this's true. trust me. put it'n ur book thn they described thr equipment. kept it a secret that They'd a microscope" - 21:00
- professor, "do u believe that? b my guest. u really shouldn't say unless u bring s'm prof bcz it's so ridiculous" - 21:20
- asked, "how do u explain this information'n the Qur'an? how did it get thr" - 21:30
- his explanation: IT CAN ONLY B REVEALED - 21:35
- one of his colleagues, marshall johnson @d university of toronto's in a related field'n embryology, bc'm so interested about what the Qur'an said guided d professor moore 2s'mn interesting ideas that he asked d muslims 2collect fr'em everythn they could'n another subject of his hobby. his hobby's geology - 21:50
- geology, d structure of d earth - 22:15
- man from yemen, sheikh zindani (abdul majeed al-zindani) who has a very effective way of delivering islam to the people. he doesn't tell'em thathatt's what he's trying to do. but he collects thngs lyk this - 22:30
- headline'n d newspaper, "surprising thn found'n d ancient prayer book" - 19:50
- newspaper reporter, "don't u think that maybe d arabs might've knwn about this thngs? d description of d embryo, it's appearance & how it changes & grows? maybe bcz they'r scientists maybe they did s'm crude dissections?" - 20:00
- professor, "d man has missed a very important point'n all of d discussions. all d slides that he projected fr us, all pictures that he showed us of d embryo're taken through a microscope. it doesn't matter if s'mbody used2 try do discover embryology 1400 ago, they couldn't see it" - 20:25
- microscope has only been around fr more thn 200yrs - 20:50
- reporter, "if u believe maybe 1400 ago s'mbody had a microscope & he did this research & they made no mistakes & thn they s'mhw taught this man to put it'n his book saying this's true. trust me. put it'n ur book thn they described thr equipment. kept it a secret that They'd a microscope" - 21:00
- professor, "do u believe that? b my guest. u really shouldn't say unless u bring s'm prof bcz it's so ridiculous" - 21:20
- asked, "how do u explain this information'n the Qur'an? how did it get thr" - 21:30
- his explanation: IT CAN ONLY B REVEALED - 21:35
- one of his colleagues, marshall johnson @d university of toronto's in a related field'n embryology, bc'm so interested about what the Qur'an said guided d professor moore 2s'mn interesting ideas that he asked d muslims 2collect fr'em everythn they could'n another subject of his hobby. his hobby's geology - 21:50
- geology, d structure of d earth - 22:15
- man from yemen, sheikh zindani (abdul majeed al-zindani) who has a very effective way of delivering islam to the people. he doesn't tell'em thathatt's what he's trying to do. but he collects thngs lyk this - 22:30
- he went 2a man, a british man who's a professor of geo-physics. d man's also'n atheist. he asked'em, "if d earth opens ups & swallows me, what would i see?" - 22:40
- d professor gave'em quite'n explanation - 23:05
- & whn he finished his description, d sheikh asked'em about translation of the Qur'an, "would u read that verse?" - 23:10
# talaq,12 - 23:25
- he's so surprised that he accepted islam'n d spot - 24:35
- DON'T B MISLEAD WHAT I'M GETTING @HERE. I AIN'T TRYING 2PROVE 2U THAT QUR'AN'S REVOLUTION BY TELLING U THIS THINGS! WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE IS'N ATTITUDE THAT'S IN THE QUR'AN THAT U WON'T FIND NYWHR ELSE - 23:55
- bcz the Qur'an does a very interesting thn. whn it gives information lyk this, it often tells d reader... - 24:10
# hud,49
# yusuf,3 (You didn't know this before) - 24:20
- THR'S NO SCRIPTURE THAT NYBODY HAS THAT I KNW OF THAT SAYS THINGS LYK THAT - 24:20
- thr'r ancient writings & scriptures that many people have & they give a lot of info but they tell u whr d info came from - 24:30
- "IF U DOUBT IT, CHECK! CHECK IF U DON'T DOUBT IT" - 25:35
- whn 'umar's d caliph, he chosen a grp of men. he said, "go & find d wall of dhul-qarnayn. d arabs neva heard it before. but the Qur'an tells u what it looks lyk & whr u'll find it. it'ld b'n such & such a place whn u get thr, it'ld look lyk this" - 25:45
- it's in what's now called durbend in soviet union - 26:05
- QUR'AN MAYBE ACCURATE ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS, BUT ACCURACY DOESN'T MEAN THAT D BOOK'S A REVOLUTION - 26:15
- WHAT IT MEANS'S U'VE A PROBLEM. IT MEANS U'LD FIND S'M EXPLANATION OF WHR THESE INFORMATION C'M FROM - 26:20
- d professor gave'em quite'n explanation - 23:05
- & whn he finished his description, d sheikh asked'em about translation of the Qur'an, "would u read that verse?" - 23:10
# talaq,12 - 23:25
- he's so surprised that he accepted islam'n d spot - 24:35
- DON'T B MISLEAD WHAT I'M GETTING @HERE. I AIN'T TRYING 2PROVE 2U THAT QUR'AN'S REVOLUTION BY TELLING U THIS THINGS! WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HERE IS'N ATTITUDE THAT'S IN THE QUR'AN THAT U WON'T FIND NYWHR ELSE - 23:55
- bcz the Qur'an does a very interesting thn. whn it gives information lyk this, it often tells d reader... - 24:10
# hud,49
# yusuf,3 (You didn't know this before) - 24:20
- THR'S NO SCRIPTURE THAT NYBODY HAS THAT I KNW OF THAT SAYS THINGS LYK THAT - 24:20
- thr'r ancient writings & scriptures that many people have & they give a lot of info but they tell u whr d info came from - 24:30
- "IF U DOUBT IT, CHECK! CHECK IF U DON'T DOUBT IT" - 25:35
- whn 'umar's d caliph, he chosen a grp of men. he said, "go & find d wall of dhul-qarnayn. d arabs neva heard it before. but the Qur'an tells u what it looks lyk & whr u'll find it. it'ld b'n such & such a place whn u get thr, it'ld look lyk this" - 25:45
- it's in what's now called durbend in soviet union - 26:05
- QUR'AN MAYBE ACCURATE ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS, BUT ACCURACY DOESN'T MEAN THAT D BOOK'S A REVOLUTION - 26:15
- WHAT IT MEANS'S U'VE A PROBLEM. IT MEANS U'LD FIND S'M EXPLANATION OF WHR THESE INFORMATION C'M FROM - 26:20
- an accurate book's not necessarily a divine book - 26:30
- d telephone book probably accurate, it doesn't mean that it's a revolution - 26:35
- d point's toward d othr direction... IF U FIND A MISTAKE THN U DISQUALIFY S'MTHN & that's what the Qur'an encourages - 26:40
- angry man in south africa, "i'm going home 2ni8 & i'm gonna find a mistake'n the Qur'an" - 26:50
- i said, "congratulations! that's d most intelligent thing u said! that's what u want s'mbody to do. bcz d book offers d same challenge. says, "do u think this isn't what it says it's then, try this, try this". it supposed 2make u look - 27:00
- it isn't a book that's delivered as though u'r commanded to believe it, now read - 27:20
- if supposed 2work'n d other way. U READ IT THN U C'M TO BELIEVE IT BCZ U CAN'T DISQUALIFY IT - 27:25
- it earns ur respect - 27:30
- bcz U CAN'T FIND A DISQUALIFICATION - 27:35
- just bcz u can't explain s'mthn doesn't mean that u've to accept his explanation - 28:05
- d same goes fr the Qur'an - 28:10
- u find s'mthn remarkable & surprising'n thr, just bcz u can't explain it, doesn't mean that u've to believe it's a revolution, that's ur business - 28:15
- but it shows d difficulty that people have if they say, "i don't believe it" - 28:20
- the Qur'an points out to this people, have an obligation 2find an explanation of that - 28:25
- in fact it mentions 1man'n an ayath which i've always seen mistranslated'n d english at least. it talks about... HE HEARD D TRUTH EXPLAINED 2'EM & THN IT SAYS Y HE'S GUILTY. IT SAYS HE GOT UP & LEFT & HE DIDN'T CHECK ON WHAT HE HEARD. GUILTY - 28:35
- IF U HEAR S'MTHN BUT U DON'T CHECK 2MAKE SURE IF IT'S TRUE, THEN U'R GUILTY. THAT'S A CRIME - 28:50
- U'R SUPPOSED 2PROCESS D INFORMATION TO DECIDE WHICH'S D GUY 2THROW OUT, WHICH'S D GOOD 2KEEP - 28:55
- u'r supposed 2put it'n2 a proper category.... - 29:05
1. IS IT TRUE?
2. IS IT FALSE?
3. IS IT STILL A SPECULATION. MAYBE TRUE, MAYBE FALSE. BUT IDK - d certainty of acceptance of the Qur'an c'ms from exhausting d alternatives - 29:30
- d book says it's a revolution. if u don't bliv that, what's it??? u've 2c'm out wid s'm explanation - 29:40
- u've a book. it's paper & ink. whr did it c'm from? it says it's a revolution. if it isn't, thn whr did it c'm from? u've 2've s'm explanation - 29:45
- interesting thing's no1 c'm up wid'n explanation that works. in fact d alternatives's been exhausted bcz they basically reduced to this & it's been well established by non-muslims... - 30:00
- d telephone book probably accurate, it doesn't mean that it's a revolution - 26:35
- d point's toward d othr direction... IF U FIND A MISTAKE THN U DISQUALIFY S'MTHN & that's what the Qur'an encourages - 26:40
- angry man in south africa, "i'm going home 2ni8 & i'm gonna find a mistake'n the Qur'an" - 26:50
- i said, "congratulations! that's d most intelligent thing u said! that's what u want s'mbody to do. bcz d book offers d same challenge. says, "do u think this isn't what it says it's then, try this, try this". it supposed 2make u look - 27:00
- it isn't a book that's delivered as though u'r commanded to believe it, now read - 27:20
- if supposed 2work'n d other way. U READ IT THN U C'M TO BELIEVE IT BCZ U CAN'T DISQUALIFY IT - 27:25
- it earns ur respect - 27:30
- bcz U CAN'T FIND A DISQUALIFICATION - 27:35
- just bcz u can't explain s'mthn doesn't mean that u've to accept his explanation - 28:05
- d same goes fr the Qur'an - 28:10
- u find s'mthn remarkable & surprising'n thr, just bcz u can't explain it, doesn't mean that u've to believe it's a revolution, that's ur business - 28:15
- but it shows d difficulty that people have if they say, "i don't believe it" - 28:20
- the Qur'an points out to this people, have an obligation 2find an explanation of that - 28:25
- in fact it mentions 1man'n an ayath which i've always seen mistranslated'n d english at least. it talks about... HE HEARD D TRUTH EXPLAINED 2'EM & THN IT SAYS Y HE'S GUILTY. IT SAYS HE GOT UP & LEFT & HE DIDN'T CHECK ON WHAT HE HEARD. GUILTY - 28:35
- IF U HEAR S'MTHN BUT U DON'T CHECK 2MAKE SURE IF IT'S TRUE, THEN U'R GUILTY. THAT'S A CRIME - 28:50
- U'R SUPPOSED 2PROCESS D INFORMATION TO DECIDE WHICH'S D GUY 2THROW OUT, WHICH'S D GOOD 2KEEP - 28:55
- u'r supposed 2put it'n2 a proper category.... - 29:05
1. IS IT TRUE?
2. IS IT FALSE?
3. IS IT STILL A SPECULATION. MAYBE TRUE, MAYBE FALSE. BUT IDK - d certainty of acceptance of the Qur'an c'ms from exhausting d alternatives - 29:30
- d book says it's a revolution. if u don't bliv that, what's it??? u've 2c'm out wid s'm explanation - 29:40
- u've a book. it's paper & ink. whr did it c'm from? it says it's a revolution. if it isn't, thn whr did it c'm from? u've 2've s'm explanation - 29:45
- interesting thing's no1 c'm up wid'n explanation that works. in fact d alternatives's been exhausted bcz they basically reduced to this & it's been well established by non-muslims... - 30:00
1. EITHER THAT MAN DECEIVED EVERY1 - 30:20
2. OR, S'MBODY DECEIVED'EM - 30:25
- EITHER HE FOOLED PEOPLE OR S'MBODY FOOLED'EM - 30:30
- u've a large grp of people who've researched it fr 100 of yrs &'ll tell u, "1THN WE KNW 4SURE, THAT MAN, MUHAMMAD, HE THOUGHT HE'S A PROPHET, HE'S CRAZY". there are convinced that he's fooled s'mhw - 30:45
- another grp'll tell u, "BCZ OF THIS EVIDENCE, 1THNG WE KNW 4SURE, THAT MAN'S A LIAR. HE FOOLED EVERY1" - 31:00
- These 2 groups neva seem 2get 2gethr - 31:05
- THEY NEVA SEEM 2REALIZE, U CAN'T B BOTH - 31:25
- if u'r deluded, u think u'r a prophet, thn u don't sit up late at ni8 tryin 2figure it out, "how'll i fool people tomorrow so they think i'm a prophet?" - 31:25
- a great deal of qur'an came & answered 2questions - 31:40
- s'mbody'ld ask d man a question & d revolution'ld c'm w/ d answer - 31:45
- u c, if u'r deluded, u think that an angel put words 'n2 ur ear, thn whn s'mbody asks u a question, u think that d angel'ld give u d answer, u'r crazy. u don't tell s'mbdy, "wait till tomorrow, i'll hv d answer" & thn u run 2ur friends & say, "ny1 knw d answer?" - 31:50
- u can't hv it both ways - 32:15
- u'ld b deluded, u'ld be a forger, u'ld b neither1. u can't b both. u can't mix'emg - 32:20
- 1grp of people assembled a lot of evidence. They say, "bcz the Qur'an isn't a revolution, we've 2explain this things. d only explanation of this things's d man's deluded. he thought he's a prophet" - 31:30
- another grp of people say, "bcz the Qur'an isn't a revolution, we must explain this things". They've different list of things & they say, "d only explanation of this facts's d man's a forager. he's a liar. he knw what he's doing but he's lying" - 32:50
- This 2 grps don't get 2gether 2realize that u've 1explain both lists of difficulties. u need this excuse here. u need that excuse'n this place but u can't hv both - 33:05
- u ask s'mbdy, "What's d origin of the Qur'an?". They'll tell u, "it c'm from imagination of a man" - 33:25
- if u ask'em, "if it c'm from head, whr he did he get his information? The Qur'antalks about a lot of things which d arabs didn't knw about. if it c'm outta his head, how did that info get'n2 his head?" - 33:35
- thn they'll tell u, "maybe he wasn't crazy. maybe he's a liar. s'm foreigner brought'em info. so he lied. he told people that he's a prophet" - 33:45
- thn u've 2ask'em, "he's a liar, whr did he get his confidence? y did he behave as though he thought he's a prophet?" - 33:55
- thn he'ld hv 2tell u, "well, maybe he's crazy. he thought he's a prophet" - 34:05
- thn they start over & go round & round'n d circle - 34:10
- u've d information lyk d wall of dhul-qarnayn. who told this man about that place 100s of miles to the nother? who told this man about embryology? & so on? - 34:20
- hm people assembly this facts, they've 2assume that, "well s'mbdy brought'n d info & used it2 fool people" - 34:30
- but now if u assume that he's a liar, whr did he get his confidence? - 34:40
- y's it, fr example, he told s'm people to their face what they wouldn't say? That involves being convinced that u've a revolution - 34:45
- d prophet'd an uncle by d name of abu lahab. he's a man who hated islam. who used 2follow d man around. he saw'em speaking 2a stranger, he wait till they parted & he go to the stranger & say, "What did he tell u? did he say black? it's white". that's how he thought. it's d opposite of what that man said. but about 10 yrs before this man died, before abu lahab died, d little surah which's called "lahab", it is'n the Qur'an. it says of this man, he'll neva change. he'll neva b ny different. fr about 10 yrs, muslims'ld go2 abu lahab & say, "it has been revealed 2us that u'll neva b a muslim". all he'd to do was say, "well, i wanna b a muslim. how do u lyk that? What do u think of ur revolution now?". but he didn't do that & yet that's d kind of behavior u'ld expect from this man. he always say d opposite of the muslims said - 35:00
- c how dangerous that's from a human point of view, ur saying 2s'mbdy, "u hate me? u wanna finish me? here, say this words & i'm through. c'mn say that! say that!". but he didn't do it! - 36:10
- in order2 put s'mthn lyk that'n ur book u've2 b convinced that u really've a revolution - 36:25
- d prophet fled from makkah 2madina & hid'n a cave wid abu bakr. They'd c people c'mn 2kill'em. abu bakr's afraid. now if this man's a forager, s'mbdy who lies 2fool people 2say he's a prophet, what'd u expect'em 2say whn he sees people c'mn 2kill'em? u'ld expect'em mi8 say 2his friend abu bakr, "c if u can find a back way out of this cave" or "squeeze open a corner & keep quite". but'n fact what he says to Abu Bakr in that occasion was to relax don't be worried. allah's wtih us. He's confident. If u know you're fooling people, where did you get this kind of attitude? - 36:35
- liar & crazy. u can't hv it both ways but they need both excuses 2explain certain things - 37:35
- "d devil wrote it" - theory - 37:40
- story from bible: talks about how s'm of d jews'r witnesses 1day whn jesus raised a man from d dead. man who've been dead fr 4 days, he said, "get up", d man c'm out of his tomb. it says s'm of d jew who stayed thr & watch, what did they do? did they say, "it's a miracle! d man's dead now he's alive. This is a true prophet!". s'm of d jews said, "no! it's d devil that did that. raised'em up". This story has rehearsed very often'n churches & people cry big tears over that. They say, "oh if i've been thr i'ld not've been so stupid as d jews who says that. nyhow a miracle. a dead man gets up, how'ld i say it's d devil?". They start 2resemble this kind of people if'n 3 min u show'em enough that all they can say, "oh d devil did it. it's too much". maybe d devil did it. but that's a very quick decision 2make - 38:40
- qur'an, "whn u read this book, u'r supposed to be in the habit. Before u read this book 2say, i take refuge'n allah from satan d rejected 1" - 40:00
# nahl,98 (refuge'n allah) - 40:15
- is this how satan writes a book? he tell u, "Before u read my book ask god 2save u from me" - 40:20
- that's very very tricky, a man who'ld write s'mthn lyk that. but can satan do that? can satan put that'n his book? would god allow satan to do that? - 40:30
- s'm people really sure that they've a spit mind'n this. They'll tell u, "yes!" - 40:00
- on d other hand, this r d same people who'll tell u that d devil's just that much less thn god. Whatever god can do, probably d devil can do that too - 40:50
- that's d attitude of s'mbdy who says, "This book's so surprising, no matter how good it's, d devil'ld do it" - 41:00
- it's a cheap & quick excuse - 41:15
- it should've bring us back 2think about that verse i mentioned u before. ***EVEN DEVILS'LD CONTRADICT ITSELF WHN HE WRITES*** - 41:25
# nisa,82 (contradictions) - 41:30
- "prophet's a liar & he's deceived that is he fooled himself" - theory - 41:40
- mythomaniac: u tell lies thn u believe'em - 41:55
- problem w/ that idea's that mythomania can't deal w/ facts - 42:05
- c the Qur'an talks about facts. things u can go & look & c if they're true - 42:15
- D MYTHOMANIAC CAN'T DO THAT. FACTS'R A PROBLEM FOR'EM - 42:20
- d psychiatrist tries to tread a man that confront'em w/ price - 42:25
- if a man, who's mentally ill, he says, "i'm d king of england!". d psychologist doesn't say 2'em, "u'r crazy. u rn't d king of england". he doesn't say that. he confronts'em w/ price. he says, "u say u'r d king of england? tell me, whr's d queen today? who's ur prime minister? bring d army?". or s'mthn lyk that - 42:35
- so d man has trouble trying to deal w/ it. he has2make excuses, "queen? she's visiting her mother. prime minister? he resigned". he has2make excuses". bcz d facts d facts give'em trouble - 42:55
- & this's how he's cured - 43:10
- if u keep putting enough facts'n front of'em, finally he faces d reality. realizes, "i've been deluded" - 43:10
- thats d way the Qur'an approaches every1 who reads it. as an ayath which says, "IN THIS WORDS, THR'S A HEALING" - 43:20
2. OR, S'MBODY DECEIVED'EM - 30:25
- EITHER HE FOOLED PEOPLE OR S'MBODY FOOLED'EM - 30:30
- u've a large grp of people who've researched it fr 100 of yrs &'ll tell u, "1THN WE KNW 4SURE, THAT MAN, MUHAMMAD, HE THOUGHT HE'S A PROPHET, HE'S CRAZY". there are convinced that he's fooled s'mhw - 30:45
- another grp'll tell u, "BCZ OF THIS EVIDENCE, 1THNG WE KNW 4SURE, THAT MAN'S A LIAR. HE FOOLED EVERY1" - 31:00
- These 2 groups neva seem 2get 2gethr - 31:05
- THEY NEVA SEEM 2REALIZE, U CAN'T B BOTH - 31:25
- if u'r deluded, u think u'r a prophet, thn u don't sit up late at ni8 tryin 2figure it out, "how'll i fool people tomorrow so they think i'm a prophet?" - 31:25
- a great deal of qur'an came & answered 2questions - 31:40
- s'mbody'ld ask d man a question & d revolution'ld c'm w/ d answer - 31:45
- u c, if u'r deluded, u think that an angel put words 'n2 ur ear, thn whn s'mbody asks u a question, u think that d angel'ld give u d answer, u'r crazy. u don't tell s'mbdy, "wait till tomorrow, i'll hv d answer" & thn u run 2ur friends & say, "ny1 knw d answer?" - 31:50
- u can't hv it both ways - 32:15
- u'ld b deluded, u'ld be a forger, u'ld b neither1. u can't b both. u can't mix'emg - 32:20
- 1grp of people assembled a lot of evidence. They say, "bcz the Qur'an isn't a revolution, we've 2explain this things. d only explanation of this things's d man's deluded. he thought he's a prophet" - 31:30
- another grp of people say, "bcz the Qur'an isn't a revolution, we must explain this things". They've different list of things & they say, "d only explanation of this facts's d man's a forager. he's a liar. he knw what he's doing but he's lying" - 32:50
- This 2 grps don't get 2gether 2realize that u've 1explain both lists of difficulties. u need this excuse here. u need that excuse'n this place but u can't hv both - 33:05
- u ask s'mbdy, "What's d origin of the Qur'an?". They'll tell u, "it c'm from imagination of a man" - 33:25
- if u ask'em, "if it c'm from head, whr he did he get his information? The Qur'antalks about a lot of things which d arabs didn't knw about. if it c'm outta his head, how did that info get'n2 his head?" - 33:35
- thn they'll tell u, "maybe he wasn't crazy. maybe he's a liar. s'm foreigner brought'em info. so he lied. he told people that he's a prophet" - 33:45
- thn u've 2ask'em, "he's a liar, whr did he get his confidence? y did he behave as though he thought he's a prophet?" - 33:55
- thn he'ld hv 2tell u, "well, maybe he's crazy. he thought he's a prophet" - 34:05
- thn they start over & go round & round'n d circle - 34:10
- u've d information lyk d wall of dhul-qarnayn. who told this man about that place 100s of miles to the nother? who told this man about embryology? & so on? - 34:20
- hm people assembly this facts, they've 2assume that, "well s'mbdy brought'n d info & used it2 fool people" - 34:30
- but now if u assume that he's a liar, whr did he get his confidence? - 34:40
- y's it, fr example, he told s'm people to their face what they wouldn't say? That involves being convinced that u've a revolution - 34:45
- d prophet'd an uncle by d name of abu lahab. he's a man who hated islam. who used 2follow d man around. he saw'em speaking 2a stranger, he wait till they parted & he go to the stranger & say, "What did he tell u? did he say black? it's white". that's how he thought. it's d opposite of what that man said. but about 10 yrs before this man died, before abu lahab died, d little surah which's called "lahab", it is'n the Qur'an. it says of this man, he'll neva change. he'll neva b ny different. fr about 10 yrs, muslims'ld go2 abu lahab & say, "it has been revealed 2us that u'll neva b a muslim". all he'd to do was say, "well, i wanna b a muslim. how do u lyk that? What do u think of ur revolution now?". but he didn't do that & yet that's d kind of behavior u'ld expect from this man. he always say d opposite of the muslims said - 35:00
- c how dangerous that's from a human point of view, ur saying 2s'mbdy, "u hate me? u wanna finish me? here, say this words & i'm through. c'mn say that! say that!". but he didn't do it! - 36:10
- in order2 put s'mthn lyk that'n ur book u've2 b convinced that u really've a revolution - 36:25
- d prophet fled from makkah 2madina & hid'n a cave wid abu bakr. They'd c people c'mn 2kill'em. abu bakr's afraid. now if this man's a forager, s'mbdy who lies 2fool people 2say he's a prophet, what'd u expect'em 2say whn he sees people c'mn 2kill'em? u'ld expect'em mi8 say 2his friend abu bakr, "c if u can find a back way out of this cave" or "squeeze open a corner & keep quite". but'n fact what he says to Abu Bakr in that occasion was to relax don't be worried. allah's wtih us. He's confident. If u know you're fooling people, where did you get this kind of attitude? - 36:35
- liar & crazy. u can't hv it both ways but they need both excuses 2explain certain things - 37:35
- "d devil wrote it" - theory - 37:40
- story from bible: talks about how s'm of d jews'r witnesses 1day whn jesus raised a man from d dead. man who've been dead fr 4 days, he said, "get up", d man c'm out of his tomb. it says s'm of d jew who stayed thr & watch, what did they do? did they say, "it's a miracle! d man's dead now he's alive. This is a true prophet!". s'm of d jews said, "no! it's d devil that did that. raised'em up". This story has rehearsed very often'n churches & people cry big tears over that. They say, "oh if i've been thr i'ld not've been so stupid as d jews who says that. nyhow a miracle. a dead man gets up, how'ld i say it's d devil?". They start 2resemble this kind of people if'n 3 min u show'em enough that all they can say, "oh d devil did it. it's too much". maybe d devil did it. but that's a very quick decision 2make - 38:40
- qur'an, "whn u read this book, u'r supposed to be in the habit. Before u read this book 2say, i take refuge'n allah from satan d rejected 1" - 40:00
# nahl,98 (refuge'n allah) - 40:15
- is this how satan writes a book? he tell u, "Before u read my book ask god 2save u from me" - 40:20
- that's very very tricky, a man who'ld write s'mthn lyk that. but can satan do that? can satan put that'n his book? would god allow satan to do that? - 40:30
- s'm people really sure that they've a spit mind'n this. They'll tell u, "yes!" - 40:00
- on d other hand, this r d same people who'll tell u that d devil's just that much less thn god. Whatever god can do, probably d devil can do that too - 40:50
- that's d attitude of s'mbdy who says, "This book's so surprising, no matter how good it's, d devil'ld do it" - 41:00
- it's a cheap & quick excuse - 41:15
- it should've bring us back 2think about that verse i mentioned u before. ***EVEN DEVILS'LD CONTRADICT ITSELF WHN HE WRITES*** - 41:25
# nisa,82 (contradictions) - 41:30
- "prophet's a liar & he's deceived that is he fooled himself" - theory - 41:40
- mythomaniac: u tell lies thn u believe'em - 41:55
- problem w/ that idea's that mythomania can't deal w/ facts - 42:05
- c the Qur'an talks about facts. things u can go & look & c if they're true - 42:15
- D MYTHOMANIAC CAN'T DO THAT. FACTS'R A PROBLEM FOR'EM - 42:20
- d psychiatrist tries to tread a man that confront'em w/ price - 42:25
- if a man, who's mentally ill, he says, "i'm d king of england!". d psychologist doesn't say 2'em, "u'r crazy. u rn't d king of england". he doesn't say that. he confronts'em w/ price. he says, "u say u'r d king of england? tell me, whr's d queen today? who's ur prime minister? bring d army?". or s'mthn lyk that - 42:35
- so d man has trouble trying to deal w/ it. he has2make excuses, "queen? she's visiting her mother. prime minister? he resigned". he has2make excuses". bcz d facts d facts give'em trouble - 42:55
- & this's how he's cured - 43:10
- if u keep putting enough facts'n front of'em, finally he faces d reality. realizes, "i've been deluded" - 43:10
- thats d way the Qur'an approaches every1 who reads it. as an ayath which says, "IN THIS WORDS, THR'S A HEALING" - 43:20
# al-isra,82 (healing & mercy)
# yunus,57 (instruction, healing & guidance) - 43:25
- THIS'S QUITE OF D MEANING OF THAT - 43:30
- it's authority. IT HEALS CRAZY PEOPLE! by telling,
"u think this?u think that?well, don't forget this!have you considered such & such?" - 43:30- that's d repeated kind of attitude's drawn'n the Qur'an said, "O MAN'VE U SAID SO & SO BUT, DIDN'T U SAY THIS? HOW CAN U TRY THAT WHN U KNW THIS?" - 43:45
- it's always putting d facts'n front of u. PUSHING UR NOSE'N2 WHAT'S RELEVENT, WHAT MATTERS. SO THAT IT HEALS U OF UR DELUSIONS - 43:55
- that's d least 1 aspect of d meaning of that verse - 45:05
- MAYBE THAT HASN'T BEEN AS ALWAYS APPRECIATED AS IT SHOULD BE - 44:10
- s'm people who'ld tell u that, "d meaning of this verse's that thr's medicine'n d words of the Qur'an - 44:15
- maybe - 44:20
- i knw a man who's quite ill. so s'mbdy took a page from a qur'an & poured'n it. They washed all d words off & put d ink'n a glass & say, "u drink this, it'll heal u" - 44:30
- maybe - 44:40
- as to the 1 understanding of d words I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK SO! - 44:40
- but maybe. - but certainly, PEOPLE ARE HEALED OF THR CRAZYNESS BY D WORDS OF THE QUR'AN - 44:45
- it has this typ of thing confronting people w/ facts that has c'm 2attention 2a lot of nonmuslims - 44:55
- in fact u'll find'n interesting reference'n d new catholic encyclopedia, there is a Catholic that has been around for so many centuries, th Qur'an's a problem for them. it says it's a revolution. so they study it. they'd love 2find a proof that it isn't. They'd lyk2've an explanation of what does it read, but they can't. at least a catholic church has been honest'n it's scholarship, they don't take d 1st quick excuse. in d new catholic encyclopedia, d article'n d subject of qur'an, d church says... - 45:05
- "OVER D CENTURIES, MANY THEORIES'VE BEEN OFFERED AS TO THE ORIGION OF THE QUR'AN". in thr own words they say, "Today no sensible man accepts ny of this theories. this leads christians'n s'm difficulty". listen carefully what they'r saying. They'r saying, "FR S'MBDY WHO SAYS THE QUR'AN C'M FROM HERE, C'M FROM THR. THEY'VE THIS IDEA ... THIS THEORY". d church says, "IN 14 CENTURIES WE STILL HAVEN'T HEARD OF A SENSIBLE IDEA. THR'S NO SENSIBLE MAN WHO BELIEVES NY OF THIS SUGGESTIONS AS TO BE D ORIGIN OF THE QUR'AN" - 45:40
- that's why they say, "it leads d christians s'm difficulty". it leads'em a lot of difficulty - 46:15
- HE'LD LYK 2EXPLAIN IT BUT HE HAS'NT BEEN ABLE2 YET! - 46:20
- whn u meet s'm1 who says, "oh the Qur'an? it c'm here & thr. i can explain. i've an idea whr it c'm from" - 46:25
- tell'em, "go & talk to the catholic church. they'd lyk 2hear from u. They'r waiting fr'n explanation. if u've got it, they mi8 buy it from u" - 46:30
- bcz at least they've been honest enough 2admit that'n 14 centuries they haven't found 1 yet. so it isn't an easy thing 2 dismiss. other grps of people has been lot less honest then that. They'll quickly tell u, "o qur'an it c'm from here, it c'm from thr" without examining that - 46:40
- most recently d leading intellectual'n d catholic church ... comb's his name. been along fr lot of yrs. he's highly respected'n d church. d intellect of d church today, recently after studying the Qur'an, he said, "god has spoken 2men through d man, muhammad". that's his conclusion as d leading intellect'n d catholic church. i don't think d pope agrees w/'em. bcz he's facing d reality that it isn't easily pushed aside. but in fact god says this words - 47:05
- s'mbdy has a better idea, They'ld go & talk to thechurch - 47:55
- others'ld find a new possibility. but i think that we've exhausted d possibilities. if d book isn't a revolution, thn it's a deception. & if it's a deception, what's it's origin & whr does it deceive us? - 48:00
- thr'r surprising things u'll find'n the Qur'an taken from ancient tyms but thr'r surprising things found that've to do w/ our modern tyms. that's the Qur'an isn't an old problem, it's still a problem today - 48:25
- it has this typ of thing confronting people w/ facts that has c'm 2attention 2a lot of nonmuslims - 44:55
- in fact u'll find'n interesting reference'n d new catholic encyclopedia, there is a Catholic that has been around for so many centuries, th Qur'an's a problem for them. it says it's a revolution. so they study it. they'd love 2find a proof that it isn't. They'd lyk2've an explanation of what does it read, but they can't. at least a catholic church has been honest'n it's scholarship, they don't take d 1st quick excuse. in d new catholic encyclopedia, d article'n d subject of qur'an, d church says... - 45:05
- "OVER D CENTURIES, MANY THEORIES'VE BEEN OFFERED AS TO THE ORIGION OF THE QUR'AN". in thr own words they say, "Today no sensible man accepts ny of this theories. this leads christians'n s'm difficulty". listen carefully what they'r saying. They'r saying, "FR S'MBDY WHO SAYS THE QUR'AN C'M FROM HERE, C'M FROM THR. THEY'VE THIS IDEA ... THIS THEORY". d church says, "IN 14 CENTURIES WE STILL HAVEN'T HEARD OF A SENSIBLE IDEA. THR'S NO SENSIBLE MAN WHO BELIEVES NY OF THIS SUGGESTIONS AS TO BE D ORIGIN OF THE QUR'AN" - 45:40
- that's why they say, "it leads d christians s'm difficulty". it leads'em a lot of difficulty - 46:15
- HE'LD LYK 2EXPLAIN IT BUT HE HAS'NT BEEN ABLE2 YET! - 46:20
- whn u meet s'm1 who says, "oh the Qur'an? it c'm here & thr. i can explain. i've an idea whr it c'm from" - 46:25
- tell'em, "go & talk to the catholic church. they'd lyk 2hear from u. They'r waiting fr'n explanation. if u've got it, they mi8 buy it from u" - 46:30
- bcz at least they've been honest enough 2admit that'n 14 centuries they haven't found 1 yet. so it isn't an easy thing 2 dismiss. other grps of people has been lot less honest then that. They'll quickly tell u, "o qur'an it c'm from here, it c'm from thr" without examining that - 46:40
- most recently d leading intellectual'n d catholic church ... comb's his name. been along fr lot of yrs. he's highly respected'n d church. d intellect of d church today, recently after studying the Qur'an, he said, "god has spoken 2men through d man, muhammad". that's his conclusion as d leading intellect'n d catholic church. i don't think d pope agrees w/'em. bcz he's facing d reality that it isn't easily pushed aside. but in fact god says this words - 47:05
- s'mbdy has a better idea, They'ld go & talk to thechurch - 47:55
- others'ld find a new possibility. but i think that we've exhausted d possibilities. if d book isn't a revolution, thn it's a deception. & if it's a deception, what's it's origin & whr does it deceive us? - 48:00
- thr'r surprising things u'll find'n the Qur'an taken from ancient tyms but thr'r surprising things found that've to do w/ our modern tyms. that's the Qur'an isn't an old problem, it's still a problem today - 48:25
- u've d interesting statement 4example that, "it's d unbelievers who'ld take note of d fact, in d beginning d heavens & d earth're 1piece" that, "all lyf's made of water". that's what they awarded'n 1973 noble prize fr, couple of unbelievers talkd about d universe how it begun from 1piece which they keep verifying until now - 48:40
# anbya,30 (joined, water)
- that, "life's made of water" is probably wouldn't hv been an easy thing 2convince people of 14 centuries ago. u stood'n a desert & tell s'mbdy, "u c this? This's made of water mostly. it's water". that'd 2wait 4d invention of d microscope 2find out that cytoplasm, d basic substance of d cell's 80% water - 49:10
- FALSIFICATION TESTS, chances 2prove the Qur'an is incorrect. s'm of this standard just lyk d challenge 2abu lahab, s'm of'em standard today - 49:35
# ma'idah,82 (animosity)
- u've an interesting ayath which says, speaking of d relationship, not between individual people but between grps of people. saying, "as a grp'n a fact, d christians'll treat u nicer thn d jews treat u" - 49:45
- DO U REALIZE WHAT THAT'S? THAT'S A CHANCE 4D JUEW 2PROVE THAT THE QUR'AN IS FALSE - 50:10
- all they've to do's get organized & treat d muslims nicely 4a few yrs & thn say, "What's ur book says about who's ur best friend'n d world? who treats u nicest? jews or christians? look what d jews did 4u" - 50:15
- that's all i've to do. haven't done it yet. but it stands. thr's a challenge & if u wanna prove it wrong, do this - 50:30
- if s'mbdy wants 2insist that the Qur'an is a deception, thn they've 2show whr d deception's - 50:45
- thr's a common theme that runs throughout the Qur'an tym & tym again. The Qur'an says, "do they such & such? let'em bring thr prove" - 50:55
# baqarah,111
# anbya,24
# naml,64
# qasas,75
# anbya,30 (joined, water)
- that, "life's made of water" is probably wouldn't hv been an easy thing 2convince people of 14 centuries ago. u stood'n a desert & tell s'mbdy, "u c this? This's made of water mostly. it's water". that'd 2wait 4d invention of d microscope 2find out that cytoplasm, d basic substance of d cell's 80% water - 49:10
- FALSIFICATION TESTS, chances 2prove the Qur'an is incorrect. s'm of this standard just lyk d challenge 2abu lahab, s'm of'em standard today - 49:35
# ma'idah,82 (animosity)
- u've an interesting ayath which says, speaking of d relationship, not between individual people but between grps of people. saying, "as a grp'n a fact, d christians'll treat u nicer thn d jews treat u" - 49:45
- DO U REALIZE WHAT THAT'S? THAT'S A CHANCE 4D JUEW 2PROVE THAT THE QUR'AN IS FALSE - 50:10
- all they've to do's get organized & treat d muslims nicely 4a few yrs & thn say, "What's ur book says about who's ur best friend'n d world? who treats u nicest? jews or christians? look what d jews did 4u" - 50:15
- that's all i've to do. haven't done it yet. but it stands. thr's a challenge & if u wanna prove it wrong, do this - 50:30
- if s'mbdy wants 2insist that the Qur'an is a deception, thn they've 2show whr d deception's - 50:45
- thr's a common theme that runs throughout the Qur'an tym & tym again. The Qur'an says, "do they such & such? let'em bring thr prove" - 50:55
# anbya,24
# naml,64
# qasas,75
- ur neva supposed 2say s'mthn unless u bring d evidence - 51:05
- "do they say the Qur'an is a deception let'em bring thr proof". "show me 1deception. whr does it deceive me? show me a lie that it has told if u say it's a deception otherwise don't say that unless u show me. it's not good enough 2tell me, show me" - 51:10
- & i knw s'm people, They've s'm ideas about whr the Qur'an has deceived d muslim. but this just shows that they haven't examined it very carefully. maybe d muslim hasn't examined it very carefully, in fact - 51:25
- we'll find us an example. s'm christians'll say, "whr the Qur'an deceives u's, it tell u about all sorts of good thngs u'ld do but it lies 2u. it tell u 'GOD DOESN'T HV A SON'" - 51:40
- is that a lie that the Qur'an has told us? as a matter of fact the Qur'an doesn't forbid d muslims that d god has a son. it doesn't say, "d reason god doesn't hv a song's bcz it forbidden". it doesn't say that. it tell u y he doesn't hv a son. gives u reason, "god doesn't hv a son bcz, if u say s'm 2one meaning this? That can't b! u mean this whn u say s'm? That can't b! u mean that?" - 51:55
- IT EXHAUSTS ALL OF D MEANINGS OF SON - 52:19
- it says, "EACH ONE OF THESE CAN'T B TRUE OF GOD FOR THESE REASONS, SO IT DOESN'T FORBID U FROM BELIEVING IT, IT TELLS U Y!" - 52:20
- thr's even'n interesting verse it says, "d muslim's supposed 2repeat, 'if god has a son, i'll b d 1st 2worship'em" - 52:30
# Zukhruf,81
- so it isn't telling u he doesn't. it's saying, "if he does, u'ld worship'em. but in fact he doesn't bcz of this reasons" - 52:40
- so d deception isn't an easy thng 2find - 52:50
- stress that to people if they wanna say d book deceives, let'em show d lie that they're talkin about - 52:50
- is that a lie that the Qur'an has told us? as a matter of fact the Qur'an doesn't forbid d muslims that d god has a son. it doesn't say, "d reason god doesn't hv a song's bcz it forbidden". it doesn't say that. it tell u y he doesn't hv a son. gives u reason, "god doesn't hv a son bcz, if u say s'm 2one meaning this? That can't b! u mean this whn u say s'm? That can't b! u mean that?" - 51:55
- IT EXHAUSTS ALL OF D MEANINGS OF SON - 52:19
- it says, "EACH ONE OF THESE CAN'T B TRUE OF GOD FOR THESE REASONS, SO IT DOESN'T FORBID U FROM BELIEVING IT, IT TELLS U Y!" - 52:20
- thr's even'n interesting verse it says, "d muslim's supposed 2repeat, 'if god has a son, i'll b d 1st 2worship'em" - 52:30
# Zukhruf,81
- so it isn't telling u he doesn't. it's saying, "if he does, u'ld worship'em. but in fact he doesn't bcz of this reasons" - 52:40
- so d deception isn't an easy thng 2find - 52:50
- stress that to people if they wanna say d book deceives, let'em show d lie that they're talkin about - 52:50
- which's d false thing it says??? - 53:00
- man wid a whole book full of mistakes'n the Qur'an - 53:20
- he says, "U SHOW ME MISTAKES'N WHAT I BELIEVE, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE MY BELIEVE, I'LL STILL BELIEVE. U'LL B D SAME WAY. IF I SHOW U D MISTAKES'N WHAT UR BOOK SAYS, U'LL STILL BELIEVE IT" - 53:25
- no! that's d difference between us! - 53:40
- u show me a mistake, i won't believe nymore - 53:45
- i don't believe in spite of d difficulties - 53:50
- u pick d best mistake u can find. tell me about it - 53:55
# maryam,10 (not speak)
- he wrote (mistake), "The Qur'an says that zechariah couldn't speak fr 3 days & d bible says that he couldn't speak fr 9 months" - 54:00
- it isn't so much of a mistake as it's a matter of his book says this & my book says that - 54:15
- What it means to be proved's which book's correct which in fact can b demonstrated. but u c what i mean, IT ISN'T DISAGREEMENT, THAT'S D PROBLEM. IT'S D ACTUAL PROOF. s'mbdy has to bring d actual mistake. a case that'll stand up'n court 2say this's false what's'n ur book - 54:20
- u can discover how surprising d book's by assembling what u mi8 call, "A LIST OF GOOD GUESSES" - 55:00
- u c, the Qur'an talks about a lot of things but i can explain to the it works in mathematics when u make guesses... - 55:05
`1st. if u've 2 choices, "1's ri8 & 1's wrong". u close ur eyes & make a choice. 1/2 d tym u'ld be ri8. 1tym outta 2 u'ld b ri8 - 55:18
`2nd. if u've 2 situations lyk that, "i can b ri8 or wrong about this & i can b ri8 or wrong about that & i close my eyes & i guess lyk this, i can only b ri8 1tym'n 4. it bcms 1/2 tyms 1/2. that's bcz thr's 3 ways to be wrong now. that's 1 outta 4 possibilites - 55:35
- man wid a whole book full of mistakes'n the Qur'an - 53:20
- he says, "U SHOW ME MISTAKES'N WHAT I BELIEVE, BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE MY BELIEVE, I'LL STILL BELIEVE. U'LL B D SAME WAY. IF I SHOW U D MISTAKES'N WHAT UR BOOK SAYS, U'LL STILL BELIEVE IT" - 53:25
- no! that's d difference between us! - 53:40
- u show me a mistake, i won't believe nymore - 53:45
- i don't believe in spite of d difficulties - 53:50
- u pick d best mistake u can find. tell me about it - 53:55
# maryam,10 (not speak)
- he wrote (mistake), "The Qur'an says that zechariah couldn't speak fr 3 days & d bible says that he couldn't speak fr 9 months" - 54:00
- it isn't so much of a mistake as it's a matter of his book says this & my book says that - 54:15
- What it means to be proved's which book's correct which in fact can b demonstrated. but u c what i mean, IT ISN'T DISAGREEMENT, THAT'S D PROBLEM. IT'S D ACTUAL PROOF. s'mbdy has to bring d actual mistake. a case that'll stand up'n court 2say this's false what's'n ur book - 54:20
- u can discover how surprising d book's by assembling what u mi8 call, "A LIST OF GOOD GUESSES" - 55:00
- u c, the Qur'an talks about a lot of things but i can explain to the it works in mathematics when u make guesses... - 55:05
`1st. if u've 2 choices, "1's ri8 & 1's wrong". u close ur eyes & make a choice. 1/2 d tym u'ld be ri8. 1tym outta 2 u'ld b ri8 - 55:18
`2nd. if u've 2 situations lyk that, "i can b ri8 or wrong about this & i can b ri8 or wrong about that & i close my eyes & i guess lyk this, i can only b ri8 1tym'n 4. it bcms 1/2 tyms 1/2. that's bcz thr's 3 ways to be wrong now. that's 1 outta 4 possibilites - 55:35
`3rd. if u've 3 situations lyk that & u make a blind guess 3 tyms, u'll only b ri8 1tym'n 8. 1/2 tyms a 1/2 tyms a 1/2 - 56:05
`4th. suppose that ur options're 1 in 10. u've another situation of 10 guesses, only 1's ri8. u close ur eyes & pick 1. u'r only gonna b ri8 1 tym'n a 100. 1/10 tyms 1/10th. bcz u've got 99 ways to be wrong & only 1 way to be ri8 - 56:15
- IF U DRAW UP A LIST OF D CORRECT THINGS THAT THE QUR'AN HAS SAID, IT BC'MS A VERY UNLIKELY THAT THESE ARE GOOD GUESSES - 56:40
- IF IT HAS MILLIONS OF WAYS TO BE WRONG BUT IT'S ALWAYS RI8, THAT IT'S UNLIKELY THAT S'MBDY WAS GUESSING - 56:50
- 3 examples... - 57:00
- qur'an says about bees. speaks of d bee which leaves it home 4gathering food & it says this ayath that this bee's female - 57:10
# nahl,68
- a person mi8 guess'n that so he thought d bees that u c flying around, thAt'ld b male, thAt'ld b female. i think i'll guess female - 57:25
- he has 1'n 2 chance of being ri8 - 57:35
- so it happens that qur'an's ri8 - 57:35
- also so happens that isn't most people believed @that tym - 57:40
- can u tell the difference between male bee & female bee? takes a specialist to do thAt nywy - 57:45
- but the male bee neva leaves the home 2gather food - 57:50
- in shakespeare'n henry the 4th, s'm of the characters they're talking about bees & mentioned that, "The bees r soldiers & They've a king". also people thought'n shakespeare's day. They thought that, "The bees u see flying these are men bees. they go home & they answer to the king". That isn't true. these are female. They go home & They've a queen - 57:55
- it took modern investigations'n the last 300 yrs 2realize that that's the case. The qur'an's ri8 - 58:19
- but it'd a 50/50 chance - 58:25
- but here's another situation whr it could've guessed incorrectly - 58:30
- The Qur'an talks about the sun how it travel through space. as the sun's moving through space, thr's at least 2 options. it'd b travelling just as the stone'll travel if u threw it. of it'd be travelling'n it's own motion - 58:35
`4th. suppose that ur options're 1 in 10. u've another situation of 10 guesses, only 1's ri8. u close ur eyes & pick 1. u'r only gonna b ri8 1 tym'n a 100. 1/10 tyms 1/10th. bcz u've got 99 ways to be wrong & only 1 way to be ri8 - 56:15
- IF U DRAW UP A LIST OF D CORRECT THINGS THAT THE QUR'AN HAS SAID, IT BC'MS A VERY UNLIKELY THAT THESE ARE GOOD GUESSES - 56:40
- IF IT HAS MILLIONS OF WAYS TO BE WRONG BUT IT'S ALWAYS RI8, THAT IT'S UNLIKELY THAT S'MBDY WAS GUESSING - 56:50
- 3 examples... - 57:00
- qur'an says about bees. speaks of d bee which leaves it home 4gathering food & it says this ayath that this bee's female - 57:10
# nahl,68
- a person mi8 guess'n that so he thought d bees that u c flying around, thAt'ld b male, thAt'ld b female. i think i'll guess female - 57:25
- he has 1'n 2 chance of being ri8 - 57:35
- so it happens that qur'an's ri8 - 57:35
- also so happens that isn't most people believed @that tym - 57:40
- can u tell the difference between male bee & female bee? takes a specialist to do thAt nywy - 57:45
- but the male bee neva leaves the home 2gather food - 57:50
- in shakespeare'n henry the 4th, s'm of the characters they're talking about bees & mentioned that, "The bees r soldiers & They've a king". also people thought'n shakespeare's day. They thought that, "The bees u see flying these are men bees. they go home & they answer to the king". That isn't true. these are female. They go home & They've a queen - 57:55
- it took modern investigations'n the last 300 yrs 2realize that that's the case. The qur'an's ri8 - 58:19
- but it'd a 50/50 chance - 58:25
- but here's another situation whr it could've guessed incorrectly - 58:30
- The Qur'an talks about the sun how it travel through space. as the sun's moving through space, thr's at least 2 options. it'd b travelling just as the stone'll travel if u threw it. of it'd be travelling'n it's own motion - 58:35
- qur'an says it has it's own motion - 58:50
# yasin,40
# anbya,33
- uses the form of the words "sabaha" which if u use that word & u talk about a man he says he did this "yasbah" along the ground, u don't mean that s'mbdy rolled'em, u mean he's walking - 58:55
- u say that if a man'n a walker, u don't mean that he's floating, means swimming. u say that of sun, u don't mean that it's just flying through space, u mean it's turning as it goes through space - 59:00
- Th qur'an says that is sun turns. Is that easy then to discover? can u say that the sun's turning? u look @it, u can look 4a second or two then u've look away. u don't c anythn after few seconds - 59:20
- but'n modern tyms'n equipment's made available 2project d image of the sun down'n 2a table top so that u can look @it w/out being blinded & thn u c that after all thr'r spots'n sun & they move & the sun turns once every 25 days. so it's turning. it's a modern discovery. a lucky guess - 59:40
- but they're d 1'n4 about both of this guesses about the bees & the sun correct - 01:00:00
- another indication - 01:00:10
- think back 14 centuries ago, people probably didn't understand about tym zones that back @ home now my family'r having breakfast as it's dark here, the sun just came up thr. in 14 centuries ago, a man'ld only traven 35 miles a day & if he traveled from india to morocco, it took'em months. probably whn he'd supper'n morocco, he got back'n home & having supper now'n india. bcz he didn't realize he has moved across d tym - 01:00:10
# yasin,40
# anbya,33
- uses the form of the words "sabaha" which if u use that word & u talk about a man he says he did this "yasbah" along the ground, u don't mean that s'mbdy rolled'em, u mean he's walking - 58:55
- u say that if a man'n a walker, u don't mean that he's floating, means swimming. u say that of sun, u don't mean that it's just flying through space, u mean it's turning as it goes through space - 59:00
- Th qur'an says that is sun turns. Is that easy then to discover? can u say that the sun's turning? u look @it, u can look 4a second or two then u've look away. u don't c anythn after few seconds - 59:20
- but'n modern tyms'n equipment's made available 2project d image of the sun down'n 2a table top so that u can look @it w/out being blinded & thn u c that after all thr'r spots'n sun & they move & the sun turns once every 25 days. so it's turning. it's a modern discovery. a lucky guess - 59:40
- but they're d 1'n4 about both of this guesses about the bees & the sun correct - 01:00:00
- another indication - 01:00:10
- think back 14 centuries ago, people probably didn't understand about tym zones that back @ home now my family'r having breakfast as it's dark here, the sun just came up thr. in 14 centuries ago, a man'ld only traven 35 miles a day & if he traveled from india to morocco, it took'em months. probably whn he'd supper'n morocco, he got back'n home & having supper now'n india. bcz he didn't realize he has moved across d tym - 01:00:10
- but the qur'an's aware of that - 01:00:45
# zumar,55
- it tells u an interesting ayath, "whn history finishes, whn the judgement day arrives, it'll happen'n an instant" - 01:00:50
- history ends'n an instant - 01:01:00
- it mentions that, "in that instant, it'll catch s'm people in the day tym & s'm people in the ni8 tym" - 01:01:00
- so again, it's a good guess & u can draw a list of good guesses & the odds bcm very high as these are all guesses - 01:01:25
- To do this kind of things as follow'n d desert tradition of the muslims 2investigate that way. The Qur'an expects this kind of challenge - 01:01:25
- if i said 2s'mbdy, "u, i knw ur father. i met ur father". probably he's in doubt, "u just c'm here. how do u knw my father?". he'll say, "how'd u've met my father? tell me, is he a tall man? short? balled? he's a beard? he wears glasses? whr did u met'em?". but if i keep getting'em all the ri8 answers, finally he may say, "i guess u knw my father. idk how. but i guess i knw'em" - 01:01:45
- The Qur'an is in the same situation. it says that it originates w/ d1 who originated everythn. so u've a ri8 2say, "u've convinced me" - 01:02:15
- if d author of this book really originated life, originated the heavens & the earth, he'ld knw about this, he'ld knw about that. tell me s'mthn that proves u'r thr whn life c'm to being. do u knw this? do u knw that? - 01:02:30
- WE'LD B READY 2GIVE'N ACCOUNT 2JUSTIFY OURSELVES THAT'S D MEANING OF EMAN - 01:03:25
- eman isn't properly translated "faith" - 01:03:40
- it usually means'n english faith means, "a promise to believe s'mthn even though it seems that it must b impossible" - 01:03:45
- u believe it w/out evidence = faith - 01:03:50
- iman isn't that - 01:03:55
- d root meaning of that word means, "confirmation". means whn u check'n s'mthn. u believe it bcz u looked & u saw indications that it's true - 01:03:55
- it doesn't u prove every item but u look & u c, "it agrees with what i knw so far". u thought about it so ur eman grows & u'r supposed to do that'n ur life - 01:04:05
# furqan,33 (no question, bring, best answer & explanation) - 01:04:25
- so whatever question they've, answer's in the qur'an - 01:04:40
- in 7 yrs of giving lectures'n various places, i've basically only heard 35 questions. that's all - 01:04:40
- The Qur'an says, "no matter which question they bring u, we give u'n answer" - 01:05:00
# zumar,55
- it tells u an interesting ayath, "whn history finishes, whn the judgement day arrives, it'll happen'n an instant" - 01:00:50
- history ends'n an instant - 01:01:00
- it mentions that, "in that instant, it'll catch s'm people in the day tym & s'm people in the ni8 tym" - 01:01:00
- so again, it's a good guess & u can draw a list of good guesses & the odds bcm very high as these are all guesses - 01:01:25
- To do this kind of things as follow'n d desert tradition of the muslims 2investigate that way. The Qur'an expects this kind of challenge - 01:01:25
- if i said 2s'mbdy, "u, i knw ur father. i met ur father". probably he's in doubt, "u just c'm here. how do u knw my father?". he'll say, "how'd u've met my father? tell me, is he a tall man? short? balled? he's a beard? he wears glasses? whr did u met'em?". but if i keep getting'em all the ri8 answers, finally he may say, "i guess u knw my father. idk how. but i guess i knw'em" - 01:01:45
- The Qur'an is in the same situation. it says that it originates w/ d1 who originated everythn. so u've a ri8 2say, "u've convinced me" - 01:02:15
- if d author of this book really originated life, originated the heavens & the earth, he'ld knw about this, he'ld knw about that. tell me s'mthn that proves u'r thr whn life c'm to being. do u knw this? do u knw that? - 01:02:30
- WE'LD B READY 2GIVE'N ACCOUNT 2JUSTIFY OURSELVES THAT'S D MEANING OF EMAN - 01:03:25
- eman isn't properly translated "faith" - 01:03:40
- it usually means'n english faith means, "a promise to believe s'mthn even though it seems that it must b impossible" - 01:03:45
- u believe it w/out evidence = faith - 01:03:50
- iman isn't that - 01:03:55
- d root meaning of that word means, "confirmation". means whn u check'n s'mthn. u believe it bcz u looked & u saw indications that it's true - 01:03:55
- it doesn't u prove every item but u look & u c, "it agrees with what i knw so far". u thought about it so ur eman grows & u'r supposed to do that'n ur life - 01:04:05
# furqan,33 (no question, bring, best answer & explanation) - 01:04:25
- so whatever question they've, answer's in the qur'an - 01:04:40
- in 7 yrs of giving lectures'n various places, i've basically only heard 35 questions. that's all - 01:04:40
- The Qur'an says, "no matter which question they bring u, we give u'n answer" - 01:05:00
- that's an interesting thing u'll find if u look at the index of thequr'an. if u look up d word'n the index, "قَالُوْ". it means, "day say". u'll find it's in the Qur'an 332 tyms - 01:05:05
- if u search d word "قُلْ" which's d command, "say", u'll find that it's in the qur'an 332 times - 01:05:35
- 332's a long ways to 35 - 01:05:45
- my advice's i suggest, "if u'r gonna take up this kind of activity 2earn urself d knowledge of qur'an & the answers it gives, thr's a number of things 2keep'n mind. B VERY CAREFUL THAT U'R CONSIDERING D ORIGINAL WORDINGS OF THE QUR'AN. I DON'T KNW OF NY TRANSLATION OF NY LANGUAGE THAT DOESN'T CONTAINS S'M MISTAKES'N D TRANSLATION OR IF NOT MISTAKES, IT DOESN'T MAKE D POINT CLEARLY ENOUGH AS'N D ARABIC. that not 2say every muslim has 2learn arabic but that's 2say that d real answers 2lot of problems's contained'n the arabic. u'll find a lot of examples of this kinds of thing even whn muslims translate. as 1of d things that surprised me about qur'an was how consistent the author's in this choice of words. if he tells a story 1way, he doesn't trip himself up'n another place by telling it'n a different way. don't be fooled by this kind of thn" - 01:06:05
- if u search d word "قُلْ" which's d command, "say", u'll find that it's in the qur'an 332 times - 01:05:35
- 332's a long ways to 35 - 01:05:45
- my advice's i suggest, "if u'r gonna take up this kind of activity 2earn urself d knowledge of qur'an & the answers it gives, thr's a number of things 2keep'n mind. B VERY CAREFUL THAT U'R CONSIDERING D ORIGINAL WORDINGS OF THE QUR'AN. I DON'T KNW OF NY TRANSLATION OF NY LANGUAGE THAT DOESN'T CONTAINS S'M MISTAKES'N D TRANSLATION OR IF NOT MISTAKES, IT DOESN'T MAKE D POINT CLEARLY ENOUGH AS'N D ARABIC. that not 2say every muslim has 2learn arabic but that's 2say that d real answers 2lot of problems's contained'n the arabic. u'll find a lot of examples of this kinds of thing even whn muslims translate. as 1of d things that surprised me about qur'an was how consistent the author's in this choice of words. if he tells a story 1way, he doesn't trip himself up'n another place by telling it'n a different way. don't be fooled by this kind of thn" - 01:06:05
- missionary, "if u muslims pay more attention to the qur'an, u mi8 b christians bcz look what the Qur'an says here about jesus, it says he is آيَاتُ لِّلْعَالَمِيْنَ, a sign 4all the worlds. u c that? doesn't say that about your prophet but it says about jesus. think about that u mi8 b a christian" - 01:07:30
# 'anbya,91
# yunus,92
- man, "i wanna sort out the confusion. u said that bcz i read that jesus was ayatul al-'amin, i'ld b a christian, what'ld i b whn i read the qur'an'n this place whr it say, pharoah was آيَاتُ لِّلْعَالَمِيْنَ? which religion'll that lead me2?" - 01:07:55
- if u rn't aware of that, a person can b fooled this way. d man who said that probably knw that but hoped that d mulims didn't or maybe he didn't knw. doesn't matter. he'll keep using it - 01:08:30
- 2nd advice both to the mulim & d non-mulim, "IF U'R GONNA INVESTIGATE S'MTHN, TAKE D ADVICE OF D SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY GIVES NOW 'GET HOLD OF A THEORY & DEFEND IT'. EVEN IF IT'S FALSE. DEFEND IF U CAN. BCZ IF IT'S FALSE, EVENTUALLY U WON'T B ABLE TO DEFEND IT. BUT AT LEAST IT HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY TESTED & U MAY PROGRESS. U'LD KNW THES 1'S FALSE. U'VE 2INVESTIGATE ISLAM D SAME WAY" - 01:08:50
- INVESTIGATE IT AS THOUGH U'R A MUSLIM & S'MBDY'S CHALLENGING U. CAN U ANSWER WHAT HE SAYS? C D MISTAKE SO MANY PEOPLE MAKE'S THEY TELL U THEY INVESTIGATE ISLAM BUT THEY DIDN'T WANT ISLAM'N NY SENSE SO THR ATTITUDE'S 1ST THN MAKES ISLAM LOOK BAD, "AH, THR'S WHAT I NEEDED. THIS IS MY EXCUS" & THEY REJECT ISLAM. BUT 2REALLY MAKE PROGRESS, U'VE 2 DEAL W/ IT AS THOUGH U'R'N D INSIDE - 01:09:40
- IT'S D ATTITUDE I TOOK BCZ BELIEVE ME THR'R ALL KINDS OF BOOKS THAT CRITICIZE ISLAM. BUT IT OCCURRED 2ME, WHAT'D D MULIMS SAY ABOUT THESE THINGS? IF THR'S ALL THESE CRITICISM, Y'S NYBDY A MUSLIM. MAY B D MUSLIMS'VE ANSWERS 2 THIS THINGS. IN FACT THEY DO. S'M OF D ANSWERS'VE BEEN AROUND FR 14 CENTURIES. DOESN'T MATTER. PEOPLE KEEP USING D SAME EXCUSES - 01:10:40
- mistake'n the Qur'an: d mother of jesus's d sister of aaron (mariam & miriam) - 01:10:45
# 'anbya,91
# yunus,92
- man, "i wanna sort out the confusion. u said that bcz i read that jesus was ayatul al-'amin, i'ld b a christian, what'ld i b whn i read the qur'an'n this place whr it say, pharoah was آيَاتُ لِّلْعَالَمِيْنَ? which religion'll that lead me2?" - 01:07:55
- if u rn't aware of that, a person can b fooled this way. d man who said that probably knw that but hoped that d mulims didn't or maybe he didn't knw. doesn't matter. he'll keep using it - 01:08:30
- 2nd advice both to the mulim & d non-mulim, "IF U'R GONNA INVESTIGATE S'MTHN, TAKE D ADVICE OF D SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY GIVES NOW 'GET HOLD OF A THEORY & DEFEND IT'. EVEN IF IT'S FALSE. DEFEND IF U CAN. BCZ IF IT'S FALSE, EVENTUALLY U WON'T B ABLE TO DEFEND IT. BUT AT LEAST IT HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY TESTED & U MAY PROGRESS. U'LD KNW THES 1'S FALSE. U'VE 2INVESTIGATE ISLAM D SAME WAY" - 01:08:50
- INVESTIGATE IT AS THOUGH U'R A MUSLIM & S'MBDY'S CHALLENGING U. CAN U ANSWER WHAT HE SAYS? C D MISTAKE SO MANY PEOPLE MAKE'S THEY TELL U THEY INVESTIGATE ISLAM BUT THEY DIDN'T WANT ISLAM'N NY SENSE SO THR ATTITUDE'S 1ST THN MAKES ISLAM LOOK BAD, "AH, THR'S WHAT I NEEDED. THIS IS MY EXCUS" & THEY REJECT ISLAM. BUT 2REALLY MAKE PROGRESS, U'VE 2 DEAL W/ IT AS THOUGH U'R'N D INSIDE - 01:09:40
- IT'S D ATTITUDE I TOOK BCZ BELIEVE ME THR'R ALL KINDS OF BOOKS THAT CRITICIZE ISLAM. BUT IT OCCURRED 2ME, WHAT'D D MULIMS SAY ABOUT THESE THINGS? IF THR'S ALL THESE CRITICISM, Y'S NYBDY A MUSLIM. MAY B D MUSLIMS'VE ANSWERS 2 THIS THINGS. IN FACT THEY DO. S'M OF D ANSWERS'VE BEEN AROUND FR 14 CENTURIES. DOESN'T MATTER. PEOPLE KEEP USING D SAME EXCUSES - 01:10:40
- mistake'n the Qur'an: d mother of jesus's d sister of aaron (mariam & miriam) - 01:10:45
# maryam,28
- miriam was d sister of aaron. mariam lived hundreds of yrs later whn & was d mother of jesus - 01:11:05
- fr 14 centuries d muslims've explained, "no this word here translated'n this way doesn't necessarily mean sister, it means a woman a woman from that family. means she's descended from that family of aaron. it's a figurative speech 2say sister of aaron means from d family of aaron. not necessarily literally aaron" - 01:11:15
$ luke 1:5
- do u knw that d bible says'n d subject of elizabeth, the mother of john the baptist, d mother of yahiya, "she was the daughter of aaron" - 01:11:40
- if u tell d man he'll say, "no no no daughter doesn't mean daughter, it means great-great-great-great-great-great-grand-daughter" - 01:11:50
- that's an example of taking d first step that looks lyk it'll work instead of finding does it really work? - 01:12:00
- one last story - 01:12:05
- About 3 yrs ago a man who's d head of this missionary grp'n toranto said, "thr's a serious mistake'n the Qur'an in the place whr it says d jew boasted, 'we killed d messiah'". he said, "d jews neva said that. a jew never say i kill d messiah thr'r waiting 4d messiah they wouldn't say, 'we kill d messiah'. ur book's wrong" - 01:12:15
- this's a sarcasm - 01:12:45
- The Qur'an also says that d makkans used to come to the mulims & say 2'em, "u 2whom d revolution c'm so tell us s'mthn". it didn't mean that d makkans believed that d revolution come 2 these people. They're teasing'em - 01:12:45
- d bible says that d jews said 2jesus whn they crucified'em, they said, "save urself messiah". They didn't say, "false messiah". They said, "messiah, save urself. c'm down from thr". so they teased'em. they're sarcastic when they said messiah & that's all the Qur'an talks about - 01:13:00
- didn't matter to this man - 01:13:20
- 2 yrs later 1of his students to a talk, "u knw thr's a serious mistake'n the Qur'an" & he brings up d same argument - 01:13:25
- i said, "2 yrs ago i said ur teacher this" & i give'em a reply - 01:13:35
- he said, "that's a silly argument" - 01:13:40
- i asked'em, "thn y's ur teacher still use it 3 yrs later?" - 01:13:40
- bcz he doesn' care if it works or not. he hopes it'll fool s'mbdy - 01:13:45
- They use a justification. a scripture passage which says, "if i tell a lie, but it glorifies god, i ain't a sinner" - 01:13:55
- s'm people believe that. that's what they think that verse means & justifies lying 4d sake of truth. u can imagine such thing - 01:14:05
- my suggestion, u may hear a lot of difficulties people try to bring up. examined & remind them they'd examine - 01:15:35
- task of d muslim isn't 2win people away from thr religions - 01:15:45
- muslim doesn't allow saying, "u shouldn't do that u'ld do this. u'ld believe that & c'm 2islam. That isn't really d muslim's job - 01:15:50
- d muslim says, "u which eva religion or belief u've, should b more careful. don't commit excess. don't say more thn u've ri8 2say. bcz d muslim believes that if a person'll do this, if he makes sure of what he says, eventually'll c'm 2islam. that's d starting point - 01:16:00
- qur'an's also often called by the description of "majid" - 01:22:30
- majid isn't that far from which u mi8 say "amazed". it means "glorious". it's "surprising" - 01:22:35
# saffat,12 ('عَجِبْتَ) (they ridicule you. but you are amazed)
- d revolution too's spoken of, in 1ayath it says to the prophet, whn it's revealed to u it says "u marveled!", "u'r amazed! They ridicule u, but u'r amazed" - 01:22:45
- d linguistics's itself today a science. so d surprising aspects of d linguistics'r still a scientific thing 2point out to people d arabic. bcz d language today's problem for people. bcz it hasn't changed'n all this centuries. it borrowed a lot of words from s'm place, but d arabic's still preserved. do large i suppose to the qur'an but that itself's a problem 4d lumps. no other language does that. it evolves'n tym - 01:23:10
- so that d linguistics's d 2nd thing that i noticed'n qur'an that surprised me so much - 01:23:40
- bcz i've read d translation probably d worsts translation thr's of the Qur'an. but thn hving discussions w/ muslims, they'd b talking this & that & they'd say, "do u knw q qur'an say such & such" & i'ld b so frustrated. i think i remember d translation. i don't remember that. so they show me'n d arabic & i realized that d translation missed this point & that point - 01:23:45
- so i realized that a way'n order'n order2 get d full meaning u'll @least got2 examine d original & so much's missing very often'n d translations. s'm really remarkable things they're virtually - 01:24:10
- whr d wall of dhul qarnayn's? yatrij r d russians? - 01:24:40
- not specifically unless u loosely mean by russians nybdy who lives north of certain point thn it may well b this is yajooj & majuj but derbent's in d soviet union but not'n d russian part of soviet union. it is'n d south part & in fact thr's 2 cities called DERBENT but whr u'll find d so called wall of alexander's d description given'n the Qur'an. now it's called d alexander's wall bcz it's used to be believed that alexander d great build it. that not been disproved. alexander didn't hv nythn to do w/ that wall. a lot of muslims'll tell u, "dhul qarnayn's alexander d great". it seems very doubtful. history'll not now support that alexander built wall. but it's a description according2 qur'an. DERBENT. probably u'll find'n s'm encyclopedia'n alexander or DERBENT more information about that - 01:24:50
- What's d best english translation of the Qur'an? - 01:25:55
- What i usually tell people to do's, "get as many as u can. bcz if u don't knw d arabic, @least whn u read, compare how d translations'r d same verse & each author translates d verse just just about d same, thn d chances ur getting most of d meaning outta it. but if They've different translations 4d same verse, thn thr must b a difficulty. thn u'ld inquire from s'm of d knws what's d problem. y did They've trouble with this arabic. so u've a lot of translations 2compare, u can make s'm progress this way" - 01:26:00
- d nicest reading 1'n english now's probably now by arthur john arberry. thr's 1done by thomas ballantyne irving which's just now c'mn2 print. he spent 25 yrs translating the Qur'an into English. HE SPENT 1 YR'N 1 WORD - 01:26:40
- 1of d worst one's made by david daud whr he takes all of d ayath & shuffles'em up'n different orders'n that & thr's a very deliberate mistranslation'n that book - 01:27:25
- i'll giv u an example of d kind of mistakes u'll find. i found even'n translations by muslims. u'll find an ayath'n a translation that tells u, "no1 can change d words of allah" & d same translation'll tell u, "People change d words of allah". now it sounds lyk contradiction. it's contradiction bcz of translator's mistake. if u look'n d arabic, u'll find out that this is 1of these pieces of precision'n the Qur'an that whneva the Qur'an talks about words being change, that talks about words being changed, it talks about ... when it talks about no1 changes d words of allah, it talks about d "kalimat" - 01:28:00
- a trick that played'n muslims very often. that's a standard missionary trick. whr people'd say, "look muslims ur book says my book's true! so look my book says ur book is false". What kind of nonsense?!? - 01:29:15
- The Qur'an talks about other scriptures. it says thr's truth in'em & it says thr's false in'em. it says, "The Qur'an will show u d difference between'em". That doesn't mean that if the Qur'an says it that thr book says this, "The Qur'an must b ri8". that isn't d attitude. the Qur'an tell u, "d truth's obvious that this is correct can b shown bcz of what is'n thr book". that's d difficulties can b demonstrated. it isn't just a case of saying, "my book's true, ur book's false" - 01:29:30
# ma'idah,48 - 01:30:10
- in fact d1 verse that's used, they write d missionary books'n it, it's'n d 5th surah, 48th ayath, whr it says, "it was revealed 2confirm d truth'n previous books". & this is whr people stops. & they say, "hey muslims, ur book says my book's true. they stop half way to he sentence. d rest of d verse says, "& quality control over this books". tells u which parts'r true which part rn't. how u pick up d difference between which parts'r true & which parts rn't - 01:30:05
- more important thn that's that whatever d shape of thr scriptures's today, whether it contains truth or false, very often that isn't under discussion whn the Qur'an is talking about thr scriptures. it tells'em, "look'n ur book & u'll find this. whether ur book's truth or false, leave that aside 4now" in ur book it says that. so it points out to people thr'r own difficulties - 01:30:40
- This follows'n d best tradition of jesus - 01:31:15
$ john, 5:39 (study, think, lyf, testify)
- 5th chapter of john, he criticized d jews. he said, "u people read d scriptures all d tym bcz u think'n thr's d secret of lyf". he didn't say, "& ur ri8". he didn't say that. he said, "but i'm telling u, if u'r more careful about what u'r reading, u'll notice that this scriptures tell u about me. u'ld b listening 2me" - 01:31:20
- that's basically what the Qur'an has said of other scriptures. leaving a sign, is it true or is it false's 2tell'm, "look'n thr scriptures & they'll find d last messenger's mentioned. d last revolution's mentioned". but it's true or false's thr problem. but they do've this one that they can't escape - 01:31:40
- The Qur'an talks about other scriptures. it says thr's truth in'em & it says thr's false in'em. it says, "The Qur'an will show u d difference between'em". That doesn't mean that if the Qur'an says it that thr book says this, "The Qur'an must b ri8". that isn't d attitude. the Qur'an tell u, "d truth's obvious that this is correct can b shown bcz of what is'n thr book". that's d difficulties can b demonstrated. it isn't just a case of saying, "my book's true, ur book's false" - 01:29:30
# ma'idah,48 - 01:30:10
- in fact d1 verse that's used, they write d missionary books'n it, it's'n d 5th surah, 48th ayath, whr it says, "it was revealed 2confirm d truth'n previous books". & this is whr people stops. & they say, "hey muslims, ur book says my book's true. they stop half way to he sentence. d rest of d verse says, "& quality control over this books". tells u which parts'r true which part rn't. how u pick up d difference between which parts'r true & which parts rn't - 01:30:05
- more important thn that's that whatever d shape of thr scriptures's today, whether it contains truth or false, very often that isn't under discussion whn the Qur'an is talking about thr scriptures. it tells'em, "look'n ur book & u'll find this. whether ur book's truth or false, leave that aside 4now" in ur book it says that. so it points out to people thr'r own difficulties - 01:30:40
- This follows'n d best tradition of jesus - 01:31:15
$ john, 5:39 (study, think, lyf, testify)
- 5th chapter of john, he criticized d jews. he said, "u people read d scriptures all d tym bcz u think'n thr's d secret of lyf". he didn't say, "& ur ri8". he didn't say that. he said, "but i'm telling u, if u'r more careful about what u'r reading, u'll notice that this scriptures tell u about me. u'ld b listening 2me" - 01:31:20
- that's basically what the Qur'an has said of other scriptures. leaving a sign, is it true or is it false's 2tell'm, "look'n thr scriptures & they'll find d last messenger's mentioned. d last revolution's mentioned". but it's true or false's thr problem. but they do've this one that they can't escape - 01:31:40
- challenge's made & a non-muslim has reacted very well & he said that he've d ayath that says that, "messenger's mentioned by name'n thr scriptures". he's speaking d jews & christians & he points out how thr's lots of jews & christians around thr heard that whn d revolution's given. They've perfect chance 2prove the Qur'an wrong. They could've jumpt @ri8 thn & say, "ok. c'm w/ me 2my house. i've no way 2get off, go ahead of u. c'm w/ me 2my house, u'r welcome 2look @ all my books. u won't find nythn about ur messenger" - 01:32:00
- nobody did that. nobody invited d muslims & say, "o this tym ur book made a mistake. c thr's nothing'n our book about messenger. c'm & c!" - 01:32:35
- nobody did that. They won't talk about it. That's y 1 non-muslim scholar has suggested that d christians & jews @ that tym @ that place must've had s'mthn very obvious'n what they call scripture that mentioned d messenger. so they kept silent @ that point - 01:32:45
* BEAUTIFUL WOMEN'N HEAVEN AS A REWARD 2MEN = sexist & animal instinct - 01:33:10
# naba,33
# waqi'ah,35-37
* SEXIST: They'd look more carefully about in fact that's the usual understanding that if you look at all the verses related to that, IT TALKS AOUBT COMPANIONS FOR PEOPLE. DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY PUT ALL THE BELIEVERS IN PARADISE ARE MEN WHO HAVE BEAUTIFUL WOMEN. talks about COMPANIONS suitably chosen for all believers. These are their rewards. So that's usually the picture that people draw without realizing that it's much more general explanation of that to put place - 01:33:35
- beyond that, d reason that that looks animalistic to people reflex that d basic difference between islam & many other religions outlooks - 01:34:10
- most religions tell u, "d world's evil. it's out to trap people & so'n. it's a bad place u've 2escape d world" - 01:34:25
- islam doesn't say that - 01:34:35
- it tells u, "d world. god made it. it's good. thr'r bad things'n it. things that'll hurt u. he made that too. but d world itself isn't evil" - 01:34:40
- so that's d muslim attitude's different. what he knws & recognizes as a good thing here, it's s'mthn lyk what'll b a good thing thr. i'll give u a clear example. The Qur'an says, "in paradise u can eat a piece of fruit" & it says, "whn u eat it u'ld say, 'This reminds me of what i used 2eat'" - 01:34:50
- it's obviously so much better - 01:35:10
- SO WHAT U'R FAMILIAR W/ NOW'S S'MTHN LYK WHAT U'LD GET THN - 01:35:15
- whether it's FRUIT or COMPANIONSHIP or ... - 01:35:20
- u knw s'mthn about what that's lyk. that's how paradise's formed - 01:35:25
- that's basic difference between muslims & others. that primarily MOST RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS ENCOURAGE D IDEA THAT "UR MEANS & UR AIMS'R DIFFERENT. WHAT U WANT CAN B DIFFERENT THN HOW U GET IT. D END JUSTIFIES D MEANS" - 01:35:30
- They'll tell u, "U WANT JUSTICE? WELL, U'VE2 TREAT S'M PEOPLE UNFAIRLY 4A WHILE, THN U'LL GET JUSTICE" - 01:35:50
- d muslims say, "no! u want justice? u practice justice!" - 01:35:55
- "u want truth? u tell d truth!". u DON'T tell a few lies UNTIL d truth C'MS THN u TELL d truth!" - 01:36:00
- D GOAL & D METHODS'R D SAME KIND OF THING - 01:36:05
- so, if u want 2establish d truth, u speak d truth & u'll get a reward lyk that - 01:36:10
- 1of d rewards of d paradise's it says, "u won't hear anybody talking nonsense'n that place" - 01:36:20
# naba,35
- if that what u want, A REWARD TO BE IN A PLACE WHR NOBODY TALK SILLY, THN U'VE2 NOW PUT A STOP 2SILLY TALK - 01:36:25
# al-'asr,3
- that's y'n d surah al-'asr, 1 of d 4 things. d difference between this who'r lost & this who've success, "They confront one another wid d truth" - 01:36:40
- nobody did that. nobody invited d muslims & say, "o this tym ur book made a mistake. c thr's nothing'n our book about messenger. c'm & c!" - 01:32:35
- nobody did that. They won't talk about it. That's y 1 non-muslim scholar has suggested that d christians & jews @ that tym @ that place must've had s'mthn very obvious'n what they call scripture that mentioned d messenger. so they kept silent @ that point - 01:32:45
* BEAUTIFUL WOMEN'N HEAVEN AS A REWARD 2MEN = sexist & animal instinct - 01:33:10
# naba,33
# waqi'ah,35-37
* SEXIST: They'd look more carefully about in fact that's the usual understanding that if you look at all the verses related to that, IT TALKS AOUBT COMPANIONS FOR PEOPLE. DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY PUT ALL THE BELIEVERS IN PARADISE ARE MEN WHO HAVE BEAUTIFUL WOMEN. talks about COMPANIONS suitably chosen for all believers. These are their rewards. So that's usually the picture that people draw without realizing that it's much more general explanation of that to put place - 01:33:35- beyond that, d reason that that looks animalistic to people reflex that d basic difference between islam & many other religions outlooks - 01:34:10
- most religions tell u, "d world's evil. it's out to trap people & so'n. it's a bad place u've 2escape d world" - 01:34:25
- islam doesn't say that - 01:34:35
- it tells u, "d world. god made it. it's good. thr'r bad things'n it. things that'll hurt u. he made that too. but d world itself isn't evil" - 01:34:40
- so that's d muslim attitude's different. what he knws & recognizes as a good thing here, it's s'mthn lyk what'll b a good thing thr. i'll give u a clear example. The Qur'an says, "in paradise u can eat a piece of fruit" & it says, "whn u eat it u'ld say, 'This reminds me of what i used 2eat'" - 01:34:50
- it's obviously so much better - 01:35:10
- SO WHAT U'R FAMILIAR W/ NOW'S S'MTHN LYK WHAT U'LD GET THN - 01:35:15
- whether it's FRUIT or COMPANIONSHIP or ... - 01:35:20
- u knw s'mthn about what that's lyk. that's how paradise's formed - 01:35:25
- that's basic difference between muslims & others. that primarily MOST RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS ENCOURAGE D IDEA THAT "UR MEANS & UR AIMS'R DIFFERENT. WHAT U WANT CAN B DIFFERENT THN HOW U GET IT. D END JUSTIFIES D MEANS" - 01:35:30
- They'll tell u, "U WANT JUSTICE? WELL, U'VE2 TREAT S'M PEOPLE UNFAIRLY 4A WHILE, THN U'LL GET JUSTICE" - 01:35:50
- d muslims say, "no! u want justice? u practice justice!" - 01:35:55
- "u want truth? u tell d truth!". u DON'T tell a few lies UNTIL d truth C'MS THN u TELL d truth!" - 01:36:00
- D GOAL & D METHODS'R D SAME KIND OF THING - 01:36:05
- so, if u want 2establish d truth, u speak d truth & u'll get a reward lyk that - 01:36:10
- 1of d rewards of d paradise's it says, "u won't hear anybody talking nonsense'n that place" - 01:36:20
# naba,35
- if that what u want, A REWARD TO BE IN A PLACE WHR NOBODY TALK SILLY, THN U'VE2 NOW PUT A STOP 2SILLY TALK - 01:36:25
# al-'asr,3
- that's y'n d surah al-'asr, 1 of d 4 things. d difference between this who'r lost & this who've success, "They confront one another wid d truth" - 01:36:40
- it means d muslims couldn't b sitting'n here s'mbdy talking here & that's foolishness - 01:36:50
- he has'n obligation 2s'mhow bring there attention to the truth that matter - 01:36:55
- in s'm way @ least 2say, "i knw what u said, it isn't true. but excuse me do u want 1more? c'm & c me" - 01:37:00
- but u've 2say s'mthn. thn u'll get a place lyk that - 01:37:05
- COMPANIONS: that's metaphorical. i mean d SAME SENSE as d FRUIT's u c? - 01:37:15
# baqarah,25 (fruit)
- if the Qur'an says, "eat a piece of fruit" & it's telling u, "whn u eat it, u'ld say this is s'mthn lyk what i used2 eate" - 01:37:25
- What it MEANS that it MUST B DIFFERENT. so it ISN'T exactly fruit LYK we KNW fruit but'n a way that's familiar 2us, it's s'mthn lyk fruit - 01:37:30
- but not saying as companions. u mi8 say metaphorically'n that, "IT'LD B COMPANIONSHIP & IT'LD REMIND US ABOUT WHAT GOOD COMPANIONSHIP'S LYK" - 01:37:40
- thn again IT'S S'MTHN WE DON'T IMAGINE. it's SO MUCH BETTER thn that - 01:37:50
- PARADISE'S FAMILIAR BUT BETTER THN U CAN EXPECT - 01:37:55
* ABROGATED VERSES - 01:38:20
- This means that, "s'm verses'r over ruled by other verses. that's a verse say this but other verse tells us that isn't true nymore" - 01:38:25
- THR'S NO SUCH PAIR OF VERSES'N THE QUR'AN! IMPOSSIBLE! - 01:38:35
- THE QUR'AN SAYS IT DOESN'T HVE NY CONTRADICTION SO HOW CAN THR B 1 VERSE IT TELLS U S'MTHN DIFFERENT THN ANOTHER VERSE? - 01:38:38
# nisa,82 (inconsistencies)
- d ayath says, "if it c'm from other thn allah, surely u'll find'n it, اِخْتِلَافًا كَثِيرًا, many inconsistencies" - 01:38:45
- so thr'r no. THR'S NO INCONSISTENCY - 01:38:50
- d misunderstanding often c'ms 4example s'm of'em say, "can u show me abrogated verse? they say this1 it says, 'don't pray if u've been drinking'. but this ayath says 'don't drink'" - 01:38:50
# nisa, 43 (don't pray, drinking)
# ma'idah, 90 (don't drink)
- IT DOESN'T HVE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS! THIS 1 ISN'T DIFFERENT FROM THAT 1" - 01:39:05
- 2say, "don't pray whn u've been drinking" isn't erased by a verse which says, "don't drink" - 01:39:10
- example of misunderstanding: people say, "The Qur'ansays, don't take a second wife unless u can treat'em equally" - 01:39:45
# nisa,3
- but they say'n these verse it say, "u can take 4". so it's a contradiction - 01:39:55
- IT ISN'T A CONTRADICTION. 1'S A QUALIFICATION & D OTHER 1'S A LIMITATION. IT'S CALLED A COUNTER DISTINCTION - 01:40:00
- that isn't in conflict saying, "don't hve more thn 1 wife if u can't treat'em equally isn't d opposite of saying, don't take more thn 4" - 01:40:05
- thr's NO such thing as an ABROGATED VERSE if d abrogation means, "this verse tells u this 1 isn't true nymore". THR'S NO SUCH VERSE LYK THAT. THR'R VERSES WHICH SWALLOW UP OTHER VERSES BUT THEY DON'T CONTRADICT'EM - 01:40:25
- if s'mbody wants 2find a contradiction'n the Qur'an he's welcome2 even examine d so called abrogated verses & u won't find contradiction - 01:40:40
- missionary, "the Qur'an abrogates other verses so it must contain contradictions" - 01:41:00
- but they don't seem2 realize that, NY VERSE THAT NYBODY EVER TALKED ABOUT INVOLVING ABROGATION'S RELATED2 LEGAL MATTERS & YET D AYATH'N THE QUR'AN THAT TALKS ABOUT ABROGATION'S A MAKKAN AYATH WHR AS D LAWS DIDN'T C'M TILL MADINA. SO WHAT BEING TALKED ABOUT THAT S'M AYATH'S REPLACES BY ANOTHER AYATH CAN'T MEAN AYATH OF THE QUR'AN IT HAS2 MEAN PREVIOUS AYATH. THAT MEANS OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEFORE THE QUR'AN - 01:41:05
* authenticity of the Qur'an - 01:41:40
- u've2 eliminated d possibilities. if s'mbody says, "ur book isn't a revolution" thn u've2 ask'em, "Tell me what's it? What's it thn?". if he says, "it's a lie", u say, "show me a lie! where does it tell a lie?". if he says, "ur prophet's a lunatic", u say, "show me a crazy thing. if he's a lunatic than how do u explain his information? if he's a liar, how do u explain his attitude?" - 01:42:05
- u gotta give it back2 s'mbody 2say, "if u claim that he's this thn u've2 prove me that. i can show u y it can't b that" - 01:42:35
- SO U ESTABLISH IT BY ELIMINATING D ALTERNATIVES - 01:42:40
* qur'an about future
- hadith, "d wonders of this book neva cease" - 01:42:40
- meaning that, "in every generation thr'r new surprises" - 01:43:05
- history may continue fr 10 thousand yrs & thr'll still b muslims saying, "i've never noticed that before. that's amazing!" - 01:43:10
- s'mthn new'n another generation - 01:43:20
# naml,82
- دَابَّتً - 01:43:40
- دَابَّتً means any kinda animal that crawls. it tells u دَابَّتً lives'n d heavens & 'n earth - 01:43:45
- it mentions that, "دَابَّتً, in d heavens & d earth & d places'n between'em" - 01:44:00
- so as far as u c from whr u'r & all d places between thr's دَابَّتً - 01:44:05
- no1 found1 yet but that's d thing that whn's found d muslims can say, "i knw it! it must b true! The Qur'an said so". an example of that kinda thing - 01:44:10
- d early muslim astronomers, mathematics, biologists, medical men, chemist & so'n see s'm little thing'n the Qur'an that looks interesting, "What'll i find if i look?" & they found lot of surprising things - 01:45:10
* messiah being killed by d jew
- d jews said, "we killed d messiah" - 01:46:00
# nisa,157
- The Qur'an goes'n 2say, "They're mistaken. They didn't kill'em. that's what it looked lyk" - 01:46:05
- he has'n obligation 2s'mhow bring there attention to the truth that matter - 01:36:55
- in s'm way @ least 2say, "i knw what u said, it isn't true. but excuse me do u want 1more? c'm & c me" - 01:37:00
- but u've 2say s'mthn. thn u'll get a place lyk that - 01:37:05
- COMPANIONS: that's metaphorical. i mean d SAME SENSE as d FRUIT's u c? - 01:37:15
# baqarah,25 (fruit)
- if the Qur'an says, "eat a piece of fruit" & it's telling u, "whn u eat it, u'ld say this is s'mthn lyk what i used2 eate" - 01:37:25
- What it MEANS that it MUST B DIFFERENT. so it ISN'T exactly fruit LYK we KNW fruit but'n a way that's familiar 2us, it's s'mthn lyk fruit - 01:37:30
- but not saying as companions. u mi8 say metaphorically'n that, "IT'LD B COMPANIONSHIP & IT'LD REMIND US ABOUT WHAT GOOD COMPANIONSHIP'S LYK" - 01:37:40
- thn again IT'S S'MTHN WE DON'T IMAGINE. it's SO MUCH BETTER thn that - 01:37:50
- PARADISE'S FAMILIAR BUT BETTER THN U CAN EXPECT - 01:37:55
* ABROGATED VERSES - 01:38:20- This means that, "s'm verses'r over ruled by other verses. that's a verse say this but other verse tells us that isn't true nymore" - 01:38:25
- THR'S NO SUCH PAIR OF VERSES'N THE QUR'AN! IMPOSSIBLE! - 01:38:35
- THE QUR'AN SAYS IT DOESN'T HVE NY CONTRADICTION SO HOW CAN THR B 1 VERSE IT TELLS U S'MTHN DIFFERENT THN ANOTHER VERSE? - 01:38:38
# nisa,82 (inconsistencies)
- d ayath says, "if it c'm from other thn allah, surely u'll find'n it, اِخْتِلَافًا كَثِيرًا, many inconsistencies" - 01:38:45
- so thr'r no. THR'S NO INCONSISTENCY - 01:38:50
- d misunderstanding often c'ms 4example s'm of'em say, "can u show me abrogated verse? they say this1 it says, 'don't pray if u've been drinking'. but this ayath says 'don't drink'" - 01:38:50
# nisa, 43 (don't pray, drinking)
# ma'idah, 90 (don't drink)
- IT DOESN'T HVE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS! THIS 1 ISN'T DIFFERENT FROM THAT 1" - 01:39:05
- 2say, "don't pray whn u've been drinking" isn't erased by a verse which says, "don't drink" - 01:39:10
- example of misunderstanding: people say, "The Qur'ansays, don't take a second wife unless u can treat'em equally" - 01:39:45
# nisa,3
- but they say'n these verse it say, "u can take 4". so it's a contradiction - 01:39:55
- IT ISN'T A CONTRADICTION. 1'S A QUALIFICATION & D OTHER 1'S A LIMITATION. IT'S CALLED A COUNTER DISTINCTION - 01:40:00
- that isn't in conflict saying, "don't hve more thn 1 wife if u can't treat'em equally isn't d opposite of saying, don't take more thn 4" - 01:40:05
- thr's NO such thing as an ABROGATED VERSE if d abrogation means, "this verse tells u this 1 isn't true nymore". THR'S NO SUCH VERSE LYK THAT. THR'R VERSES WHICH SWALLOW UP OTHER VERSES BUT THEY DON'T CONTRADICT'EM - 01:40:25
- if s'mbody wants 2find a contradiction'n the Qur'an he's welcome2 even examine d so called abrogated verses & u won't find contradiction - 01:40:40
- missionary, "the Qur'an abrogates other verses so it must contain contradictions" - 01:41:00
- but they don't seem2 realize that, NY VERSE THAT NYBODY EVER TALKED ABOUT INVOLVING ABROGATION'S RELATED2 LEGAL MATTERS & YET D AYATH'N THE QUR'AN THAT TALKS ABOUT ABROGATION'S A MAKKAN AYATH WHR AS D LAWS DIDN'T C'M TILL MADINA. SO WHAT BEING TALKED ABOUT THAT S'M AYATH'S REPLACES BY ANOTHER AYATH CAN'T MEAN AYATH OF THE QUR'AN IT HAS2 MEAN PREVIOUS AYATH. THAT MEANS OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEFORE THE QUR'AN - 01:41:05
* authenticity of the Qur'an - 01:41:40- u've2 eliminated d possibilities. if s'mbody says, "ur book isn't a revolution" thn u've2 ask'em, "Tell me what's it? What's it thn?". if he says, "it's a lie", u say, "show me a lie! where does it tell a lie?". if he says, "ur prophet's a lunatic", u say, "show me a crazy thing. if he's a lunatic than how do u explain his information? if he's a liar, how do u explain his attitude?" - 01:42:05
- u gotta give it back2 s'mbody 2say, "if u claim that he's this thn u've2 prove me that. i can show u y it can't b that" - 01:42:35
- SO U ESTABLISH IT BY ELIMINATING D ALTERNATIVES - 01:42:40
* qur'an about future- hadith, "d wonders of this book neva cease" - 01:42:40
- meaning that, "in every generation thr'r new surprises" - 01:43:05
- history may continue fr 10 thousand yrs & thr'll still b muslims saying, "i've never noticed that before. that's amazing!" - 01:43:10
- s'mthn new'n another generation - 01:43:20
# naml,82
- دَابَّتً - 01:43:40
- دَابَّتً means any kinda animal that crawls. it tells u دَابَّتً lives'n d heavens & 'n earth - 01:43:45
- it mentions that, "دَابَّتً, in d heavens & d earth & d places'n between'em" - 01:44:00
- so as far as u c from whr u'r & all d places between thr's دَابَّتً - 01:44:05
- no1 found1 yet but that's d thing that whn's found d muslims can say, "i knw it! it must b true! The Qur'an said so". an example of that kinda thing - 01:44:10
- d early muslim astronomers, mathematics, biologists, medical men, chemist & so'n see s'm little thing'n the Qur'an that looks interesting, "What'll i find if i look?" & they found lot of surprising things - 01:45:10
* messiah being killed by d jew
- d jews said, "we killed d messiah" - 01:46:00
# nisa,157
- The Qur'an goes'n 2say, "They're mistaken. They didn't kill'em. that's what it looked lyk" - 01:46:05
- it doesn't specifically say'n the Qur'an that s'mbody was substituted - 01:46:10
- it simply says, "doubtful" - 01:46:15
- so, they mayb killed d wrong man, mayb they killed nobody. but what we knw that they didn't kill d messiah - 01:46:40
* surah which inspired me most
- 1 of d 1st things that occurred 2me's that, i mentioned this ayath that challenges u2 find mistakes'n the Qur'an that's d surah al-hadid begins by saying'n d 3rd ayath, "no matter whr u start, thr's s'mthn u can't escape. s'mthn thr's which's 1st, last, outermost, innermost" - 01:47:05
# hadid,3
- & looking at this this is whr u find God - 01:47:30
- & of course this surah al-ikhlas, just'n few words thr's a wealth of materials thr - 01:47:35
- s'mbody asked d prophet 1tym, "whr do God c'm from?" - 01:47:45
- he didn't say as most muslims say today, "ohh! this's a shaitan's question" - 01:47:50
- he quoted that surah. it gives @ least 4 answers that each ayath gives u an answer. that's impressive 2me - 01:48:00
* word "holly"
- d world "holly" is really, that's a troublesome word'n english. i don't use it2 talk about the Qur'an bcz it's inappropriate'n english technically - 01:51:45
- d word "HOLLY" c'ms from d same root as "WHOLE" - 01:52:00
- SO PEOPLE AREN'T "WHOLLY" ONLY1'S "WHOLLY"! THR'S ONLY 1 WHO'S "WHOLLY"! HE'S ALLAH! THE ONE!!! - 01:52:08
- that's d original understanding even English. d word "holy" it only applies that u say, "god is 'holy' bcz he's 1 'whole' thing. nobody else's 1 lyk that'. but it's falling'n2 such careless use that people got "holy men" & "holy this" & "holy that" - 01:52:15
- that's unfortunate - 01:52:30
- even d arabic word "اَلْمَقْدُسْ" is s'mtyms translated "holy" - 01:52:35
- that isn't really d best english word for that bcz of misunderstanding - 01:52:39
- it simply says, "doubtful" - 01:46:15
- so, they mayb killed d wrong man, mayb they killed nobody. but what we knw that they didn't kill d messiah - 01:46:40
* surah which inspired me most
- 1 of d 1st things that occurred 2me's that, i mentioned this ayath that challenges u2 find mistakes'n the Qur'an that's d surah al-hadid begins by saying'n d 3rd ayath, "no matter whr u start, thr's s'mthn u can't escape. s'mthn thr's which's 1st, last, outermost, innermost" - 01:47:05
# hadid,3
- & looking at this this is whr u find God - 01:47:30
- & of course this surah al-ikhlas, just'n few words thr's a wealth of materials thr - 01:47:35
- s'mbody asked d prophet 1tym, "whr do God c'm from?" - 01:47:45
- he didn't say as most muslims say today, "ohh! this's a shaitan's question" - 01:47:50
- he quoted that surah. it gives @ least 4 answers that each ayath gives u an answer. that's impressive 2me - 01:48:00
* word "holly"
- d world "holly" is really, that's a troublesome word'n english. i don't use it2 talk about the Qur'an bcz it's inappropriate'n english technically - 01:51:45
- d word "HOLLY" c'ms from d same root as "WHOLE" - 01:52:00
- SO PEOPLE AREN'T "WHOLLY" ONLY1'S "WHOLLY"! THR'S ONLY 1 WHO'S "WHOLLY"! HE'S ALLAH! THE ONE!!! - 01:52:08
- that's d original understanding even English. d word "holy" it only applies that u say, "god is 'holy' bcz he's 1 'whole' thing. nobody else's 1 lyk that'. but it's falling'n2 such careless use that people got "holy men" & "holy this" & "holy that" - 01:52:15
- that's unfortunate - 01:52:30
- even d arabic word "اَلْمَقْدُسْ" is s'mtyms translated "holy" - 01:52:35
- that isn't really d best english word for that bcz of misunderstanding - 01:52:39
- ONLY ALLAH'S HOLY - 01:52:46
- THE QUR'AN MAYB "KARIM" & "MAJID" & S'M OTHR DESCRIPTIONS LYK THIS. BUT NOT "HOLY" IN PROPER MEANING OF THAT WORD - 01:52:48
* comparison between muslims & christians in approaches
- d muslims've a different approach just 2giv a comparison of what they're familiar /w christianity - 01:53:25
- d christians says, "GOD REVEALED HIMSELF TO US" - 01:53:35
- d muslims says, "GOD CAN'T REVEAL HIMSELF MAN! CAN'T ABSORB THIS! BUT HE REVEALED HIS WILL! HE REVEALED WHAT HE WANTS U2 WANT - 01:53:40
- D SPEECH OF ALLAH'S WHAT HE WANTS U2 KNW ISN'T ALLAH - 01:53:50
- u can't describe it that way - 01:54:00
- usually whn d muslim & d christian use thr word revolution they talks about different things. it happens so many tyms. s'mbody says, "WHaT'S GOD REVEALED 2U?" - 01:54:05
- i say, "HE TOLD ME WHAT HE WANTED ME2 KNW" - 01:54:15
- he says, "NO! NO! NO! WHAT DID HE REVEEAAALLEED?" - 01:54:18
- NOW HE'S TALKING ABOUT S'MTHN ELSE - 01:54:20
- IT MEANS S'MTHN U CAN'T EXPLAIN - 01:54:24
- BCZ THAT'S WHAT THEY MEAN BY REVOLUTION - 01:54:30
- that isn't really d conception of qur'an - 01:54:33
- تَنْزِلْ is information given 2u - 01:54:35
- but that's maybe not u want going 4'n argument that's old of thousand yrs ago - 01:54:40
- People argue about qur'an created or uncreated already backed'n a long tym - 01:54:45
* is qur'an complete- the Qur'an says many tyms that it's that it's complete - 01:56:50
- u'll find that in d 6th surah, 112 & 113 ayath. it says, "thr's nothing that - 01:56:55
- i remembered talkin w/'n egyptian brother 1tym & i mentioned this ayath & he says, "that isn't true!" - 01:57:05
- u need this & u
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- 01:57:10
- MUSLIMS'LD FALL'N2 D SAME TRAP THAT S'M RELIGIOUS GROUPS FALL'N2. THAT'S THEY BELIEVE'N THR BOOK & THEY BC'M SO RAPPED UP'N THIS BOOK, THEY DON'T KNW ANYTHN ELSE! - 01:57:30
- THE QUR'AN MAYB "KARIM" & "MAJID" & S'M OTHR DESCRIPTIONS LYK THIS. BUT NOT "HOLY" IN PROPER MEANING OF THAT WORD - 01:52:48
* comparison between muslims & christians in approaches- d muslims've a different approach just 2giv a comparison of what they're familiar /w christianity - 01:53:25
- d christians says, "GOD REVEALED HIMSELF TO US" - 01:53:35
- d muslims says, "GOD CAN'T REVEAL HIMSELF MAN! CAN'T ABSORB THIS! BUT HE REVEALED HIS WILL! HE REVEALED WHAT HE WANTS U2 WANT - 01:53:40
- D SPEECH OF ALLAH'S WHAT HE WANTS U2 KNW ISN'T ALLAH - 01:53:50
- u can't describe it that way - 01:54:00
- usually whn d muslim & d christian use thr word revolution they talks about different things. it happens so many tyms. s'mbody says, "WHaT'S GOD REVEALED 2U?" - 01:54:05
- i say, "HE TOLD ME WHAT HE WANTED ME2 KNW" - 01:54:15
- he says, "NO! NO! NO! WHAT DID HE REVEEAAALLEED?" - 01:54:18
- NOW HE'S TALKING ABOUT S'MTHN ELSE - 01:54:20
- IT MEANS S'MTHN U CAN'T EXPLAIN - 01:54:24
- BCZ THAT'S WHAT THEY MEAN BY REVOLUTION - 01:54:30
- that isn't really d conception of qur'an - 01:54:33
- تَنْزِلْ is information given 2u - 01:54:35
- but that's maybe not u want going 4'n argument that's old of thousand yrs ago - 01:54:40
- People argue about qur'an created or uncreated already backed'n a long tym - 01:54:45
* is qur'an complete- the Qur'an says many tyms that it's that it's complete - 01:56:50
- u'll find that in d 6th surah, 112 & 113 ayath. it says, "thr's nothing that - 01:56:55
- i remembered talkin w/'n egyptian brother 1tym & i mentioned this ayath & he says, "that isn't true!" - 01:57:05
- u need this & u
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- 01:57:10
- MUSLIMS'LD FALL'N2 D SAME TRAP THAT S'M RELIGIOUS GROUPS FALL'N2. THAT'S THEY BELIEVE'N THR BOOK & THEY BC'M SO RAPPED UP'N THIS BOOK, THEY DON'T KNW ANYTHN ELSE! - 01:57:30
- the Qur'an isn't of that nature - 01:57:45
- THE QUR'AN TELLS U WHAT U NEED'S HERE, IT LACKS NOTHING. WHAT DOES IT TELL U2 DO? TYM & TYM AGAIN. IT SAYS, "LOOK HERE! LOOK THR! IF U DOUBT THAT THIS TRUE, LOOK THR, U'LL C IT! VARIFY IT! EXAMINE THAT! RESEARCH THIS! FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THAT! - 01:57:50
- THE QUR'AN TELLS U WHAT U NEED'S HERE, IT LACKS NOTHING. WHAT DOES IT TELL U2 DO? TYM & TYM AGAIN. IT SAYS, "LOOK HERE! LOOK THR! IF U DOUBT THAT THIS TRUE, LOOK THR, U'LL C IT! VARIFY IT! EXAMINE THAT! RESEARCH THIS! FIND OUT MORE ABOUT THAT! - 01:57:50
- so it keeps directing ur attention2 ... - 01:58:05
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